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Mitch McConnell is doing press hits saying the republicans are going to enact a federal law against abortion when they retake Congress. Hard to imagine this Sup

• usrn 4y ago
  That would be overreach and hopefully the Supreme Court would strike it down. The precedent from this ruling actually protects you from that sort of thing, without it the Republicans would be more capable of pushing the states to do whatever they want. I'm totally shocked at the degree to which people are upset by this since it helps both sides. The only explanation I have is that no one really understands what's going on and they're just "fighting for their tribe." EDIT: I'm out of quota, here's my reply: This isn't politicization, they're literally interpreting the constitution. Anything other than this would be politicization that would allow populist mobs to run over the states. They're not banning anything, they're giving the power back to you where it belongs.
  • mschuster91 4y ago
    > That would be overreach and hopefully the Supreme Court would strike it down. With the way that the Supreme Court not just got politicized, but effectively taken over over the last six years, it is IMO foolish to the extreme to rely on the SC defending anything in the future.
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  • gonehome 4y ago
    My understanding is the underlying argument is ultimately about fetal personhood and a national ban would be about protecting constitutional rights of the unborn (and having disputes about that rise to the level of SCOTUS for a ruling). That’s the bit I think you’re missing and why it may not just be about reserved rights for the states or about congressional legislation. I believe this is also the stated goal of some of these orgs and it’s a moral belief they hold.
    • usrn 4y ago
      I'm part way through it and while it mentions recognition of fetal personhood in the past it only seems to use that to establish that there's no precedent for this idea of a right to abortion.
      • gonehome 4y ago
        For clarity I’m not talking about the text of this opinion, but the larger argument that’s happening outside of it. I think you’re probably accurate about this decision and its consequences in the short term, but I thought you were missing why this could have a bigger effect in the long term.
        • gonehome 4y ago
          Outside of the edit window, but this has some of the context I’m talking about: https://apple.news/AUTfqLmWMSnC7Rz1M7QpH-Q https://apple.news/AUTfqLmWMSnC7Rz1M7QpH-Q
  • evan_ 4y ago
    > I'm totally shocked at the degree to which people are upset by this since it helps both sides. Besides all the other reasons, there’s thing called empathy which means I want people in states where I don’t live to have nice lives.
    • usrn 4y ago
      But these people have said they don't want it. What about respecting their right to self determination?
      • evan_ 4y ago
        You think every single person in Florida, Texas, etc. is against abortion? Do you think that “pro-choice” means someone will come to your house and abort your pregnancy whether you want to or not?
        • usrn 4y ago
          I know at least where I live almost everyone is against it. The only way to prevent further destabilization of American politics is for us to agree to disagree and live near other like minded people.
  • hedora 4y ago
    I don't know where you are getting this information. All this ruling does is eliminate constitutional rights. It explicitly encourages congress to regulate abortion, and even provides a list of other constitutional rights that can now be rolled back, including condoms, privacy, gay marriage, and "civil rights". Have you read the politico article (which links to the full document)?