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If I remember filling out FAFSA it required SSN didn't it?

Cerium 4y ago
Correct. I don't see a path to direct financial benefits with a poorly created fake enrollment.
frankfrankfrank 4y ago
You assume that the SSN is some kind a magic code. The government has long undermined the use of the SSN for accountability or fidelity. It’s essentially a slave/serf/property tracking number, the fact that it is abused by con artists/criminals is wholly immaterial to the rulers. It’s why they don’t care that fraudulent SSNs are being used by illegals too. You are making assumptions about the motivations of the system being of good faith. There is ample evidence and multiple proofs that such is not the case. The same applies to the whole education funding scheme, including FAFSA. It’s essentially a money laundering scheme to support the financial enslavement of people through debt in order to participate and be conditioned as an alpha slave that is also locked into the system financially. There is no incentive to lower the cost of “education”. The incentive is to lock you into having to pay off more and more tokens/currency that you get for doing favors for your masters. The only reason why the rulers are even just toying with the student loan debt forgiveness is because there’s a slave revolt brewing among certain segments of the body of slaves/serfs.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  this is an awful interpretation and of course it does not cover the entire situation, however, based on decades of real life interaction, I believe this is partly true.
- datalopers 4y ago
  Please good people, I am in haste! Who lives in that castle?
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  FAFSA checks the applicants SSN against their name, date of birth, and homeland security. There is little room for fraud outside of blatant identity theft.
  - frankfrankfrank 4y ago
    I’m just curious, how is it you can say that … just totally ignoring the story and the fact that no one claimed anything like what your response would be a valid response to. Its baffling to me when people do that. Can you explain it? Please read what I wrote again. My theory is that you have some innate and subconscious bias that is so overwhelming that you leap to defense in an illogical and instinctual manner, regardless of anything else, kind of like a body guard may leap into action on a car backfiring. Is that about accurate?
    - Jerrrry 4y ago
      https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/fsa-handbook/2022-2023/application-and-verification-guide/ch1-application-process-fafsa-isir https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/fsa-handbook/202... This is a direct response to your obviously wrong explicit statement, that FAFSA has little checks against fraud, and implied that any SSN will get you through. I linked the document backing up my direct claim to the contrary, that the only way to trick FAFSA is to actually assume another's identity, because the applicants SSN, DoB, and name, must all match. School's are also liable for any lack of due diligence. So read what you wrote, then what I wrote, then read the linked document, then read this: I suspect your immediate reprehension to being outed as ignorant causes you to jump to ad hominem, externalizing your conscious, knowing attitude of being blatantly wrong, and too embarrassed to admit otherwise. Is that accurate? Please reply with specific facts and sources to further dismiss or deny any part of my statement, so I can further demonstrate how your ramblings are little more than utterances of an ignorant person, grasping for a conspiracy - where incompetence clearly suffices. :)
- kwatsonafter 4y ago
  Please provide this, "ample evidence" and, "multiple proofs" that, "this" (what?) is the case. Edgelording about how society hasn't lived up to your expectations as a modern human being (that apparently didn't go to college?) I'm inclined to hear you out but you read like a 22-year-old that spends too much time on 4Chan.
  - lilsoso 4y ago
    https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/Weinstein-GUI_NSF_SG_Complete_INET.pdf https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/Weinstein-GUI_N...
  - lilsoso 4y ago
    From my memory, Marc Andreessen had a series of somewhat recent tweets criticizing the American university system. However, all of his tweets older than say two months or so appear to be automatically deleted. Society in general is probably designed to benefit the upper and upper middle class -- that doesn't strike me as a controversial idea. For example, see the following paper: Class in the 21st century: Asset inflation and the new logic of inequality https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0308518X19873673 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0308518X198736... And here's a tweet from Andreessen on how the college system benefits the upper middle class: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1513553688060596225 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1513553688060596225 (https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Perry/status/1513519643876540421 https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Perry/status/1513519643876540421) I would expect that most of us here vaguely qualify as upper middle class. We probably attended competitive schools. Many of us benefited from the largesse of our boomer parents. And even if we're not making FAANG money, and even if we can't quite afford a home suitable for a family in the Bay Area, we probably have make somewhat comfortable incomes, relative to the rest of the population.
  - frankfrankfrank 4y ago
    Its unfortunate that people like you exist because it sabotages solving problems out of your insecurity of needing to be perceived as “the smartest person in the room”. Your Self trying to reject what I am telling you with cognitive-loops of tropes about me being 22 or being on 4chan, does bot alter the reality that you are quite wrong and as uninformed as your subconscious clearly knows you are. I am not at all one affected by any of what I said, so your dismissal only serves to further delude yourself and possibly misdirect others who are susceptible to your type of manipulation. Also, I am not your daddy or teacher, stop trying to waste my time to provide the proofs you will simply dismiss, because you are too lazy to do the work yourself and discovering contradictory truths would require you to face that deep insecurity that drives you. Better keep believing you know best and are the smartest guy in the room. You sound like a flat earth type, demanding I provide all the proofs you can easily find yourself, just to dismiss them out of hand because they don’t align with your self-image and preconceived notions. I know. Its a strong mental cage you are in.

Correct. I don't see a path to direct financial benefits with a poorly created fake enrollment.

You assume that the SSN is some kind a magic code. The government has long undermined the use of the SSN for accountability or fidelity. It’s essentially a slave/serf/property tracking number, the fact that it is abused by con artists/criminals is wholly immaterial to the rulers. It’s why they don’t care that fraudulent SSNs are being used by illegals too. You are making assumptions about the motivations of the system being of good faith. There is ample evidence and multiple proofs that such is not the case. The same applies to the whole education funding scheme, including FAFSA. It’s essentially a money laundering scheme to support the financial enslavement of people through debt in order to participate and be conditioned as an alpha slave that is also locked into the system financially. There is no incentive to lower the cost of “education”. The incentive is to lock you into having to pay off more and more tokens/currency that you get for doing favors for your masters. The only reason why the rulers are even just toying with the student loan debt forgiveness is because there’s a slave revolt brewing among certain segments of the body of slaves/serfs.

mistrial9 4y ago
this is an awful interpretation and of course it does not cover the entire situation, however, based on decades of real life interaction, I believe this is partly true.
datalopers 4y ago
Please good people, I am in haste! Who lives in that castle?
Jerrrry 4y ago
FAFSA checks the applicants SSN against their name, date of birth, and homeland security. There is little room for fraud outside of blatant identity theft.
- frankfrankfrank 4y ago
  I’m just curious, how is it you can say that … just totally ignoring the story and the fact that no one claimed anything like what your response would be a valid response to. Its baffling to me when people do that. Can you explain it? Please read what I wrote again. My theory is that you have some innate and subconscious bias that is so overwhelming that you leap to defense in an illogical and instinctual manner, regardless of anything else, kind of like a body guard may leap into action on a car backfiring. Is that about accurate?
  - Jerrrry 4y ago
    https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/fsa-handbook/2022-2023/application-and-verification-guide/ch1-application-process-fafsa-isir https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/fsa-handbook/202... This is a direct response to your obviously wrong explicit statement, that FAFSA has little checks against fraud, and implied that any SSN will get you through. I linked the document backing up my direct claim to the contrary, that the only way to trick FAFSA is to actually assume another's identity, because the applicants SSN, DoB, and name, must all match. School's are also liable for any lack of due diligence. So read what you wrote, then what I wrote, then read the linked document, then read this: I suspect your immediate reprehension to being outed as ignorant causes you to jump to ad hominem, externalizing your conscious, knowing attitude of being blatantly wrong, and too embarrassed to admit otherwise. Is that accurate? Please reply with specific facts and sources to further dismiss or deny any part of my statement, so I can further demonstrate how your ramblings are little more than utterances of an ignorant person, grasping for a conspiracy - where incompetence clearly suffices. :)
kwatsonafter 4y ago
Please provide this, "ample evidence" and, "multiple proofs" that, "this" (what?) is the case. Edgelording about how society hasn't lived up to your expectations as a modern human being (that apparently didn't go to college?) I'm inclined to hear you out but you read like a 22-year-old that spends too much time on 4Chan.
- lilsoso 4y ago
  https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/Weinstein-GUI_NSF_SG_Complete_INET.pdf https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/Weinstein-GUI_N...
- lilsoso 4y ago
  From my memory, Marc Andreessen had a series of somewhat recent tweets criticizing the American university system. However, all of his tweets older than say two months or so appear to be automatically deleted. Society in general is probably designed to benefit the upper and upper middle class -- that doesn't strike me as a controversial idea. For example, see the following paper: Class in the 21st century: Asset inflation and the new logic of inequality https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0308518X19873673 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0308518X198736... And here's a tweet from Andreessen on how the college system benefits the upper middle class: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1513553688060596225 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1513553688060596225 (https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Perry/status/1513519643876540421 https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Perry/status/1513519643876540421) I would expect that most of us here vaguely qualify as upper middle class. We probably attended competitive schools. Many of us benefited from the largesse of our boomer parents. And even if we're not making FAANG money, and even if we can't quite afford a home suitable for a family in the Bay Area, we probably have make somewhat comfortable incomes, relative to the rest of the population.
- frankfrankfrank 4y ago
  Its unfortunate that people like you exist because it sabotages solving problems out of your insecurity of needing to be perceived as “the smartest person in the room”. Your Self trying to reject what I am telling you with cognitive-loops of tropes about me being 22 or being on 4chan, does bot alter the reality that you are quite wrong and as uninformed as your subconscious clearly knows you are. I am not at all one affected by any of what I said, so your dismissal only serves to further delude yourself and possibly misdirect others who are susceptible to your type of manipulation. Also, I am not your daddy or teacher, stop trying to waste my time to provide the proofs you will simply dismiss, because you are too lazy to do the work yourself and discovering contradictory truths would require you to face that deep insecurity that drives you. Better keep believing you know best and are the smartest guy in the room. You sound like a flat earth type, demanding I provide all the proofs you can easily find yourself, just to dismiss them out of hand because they don’t align with your self-image and preconceived notions. I know. Its a strong mental cage you are in.