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I'd like to know why Snower accepted abuse from corporate overlords for 5+ years (according to the thread). Being "in the dog house" for that long is ridiculous
by andrew_ 4y ago
I'd like to know why Snower accepted abuse from corporate overlords for 5+ years (according to the thread). Being "in the dog house" for that long is ridiculous on the surface. That would never stand in today's world of tech. Is he just oldschool and had the mindset of "the company is always right"? Is he just a company man with intense loyalty? I would understand the company not adopting it and having to spend five years advocating for new tech in a company that large. But I can't understand why being demoted and punished for 5 years. I grew up with a major emphasis on work ethic but I can't wrap my mind around this.
- andrew_ 4y ago
- hypertele-Xii 4y agoHN guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Sakos 4y agoYou know what makes for boring reading? People not engaging in discussion at all and just relying on downvotes to convey their opinion.
- andrew_ 4y agoSigh. it's not a comment on the downvote, it's a call to those down voting to participate to enhance the convo. If you read the rest of the guidelines, they also state not to cite the guidelines as a reply.
- striking 4y agoWhich guideline states that?
- hypertele-Xii 4y agoMaybe he's referring to "Don't feed egregious comments by replying;". I interpret that as more about not feeding trolls.
- bigbillheck 4y agoDownvotes and upvotes are just imaginary internet points and you should not become attached to them.
- gumby 4y agoI would not have downvoted your comment but IMHO saying “don’t be a coward” is the wrong tone to take here.
- rtpg 4y agoProbably he was still getting paid a lot? It is MSFT after all. I imagine that a certain kind of person, willing to write tooling and even get demoted for it, is willing to stick around with a bit of a pay cut anyways.
- gpvos 4y agoWhat other interesting jobs are available in the region, how willing are you and your family to move, etc., so many factors.
- opencl 4y agoThe region is Seattle, I don't think there was a lack of other options if he really wanted to leave.
- tptacek 4y agoThe Microsoft of that time period was infamous for deliberately paying less than other tech giants.
- Wistar 4y agoAbsolutely true.
- tptacek 4y agoThey had an actual formula for it, and I'm forgetting what the number was. Like 80% of some metric of other tech giant comp?
- ThrowawayB7 4y ago66th percentile of the industry for equivalent positions is what was reported. Anybody who could get more than the 66th percentile elsewhere, more power to them. Anybody who thought that "66th percentile" meant they were being paid less than average, well, their departure was probably regarded as good attrition with a chuckle.
- pyb 4y agoWhat makes you think he didn't try to change jobs? It's not like tech interviews are designed to detect this kind of talent.
- birdyrooster 4y agoThey make a joke of it in Silicon Valley, "Rest and Vest" check out this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y30pML-AW4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y30pML-AW4k
- birdyrooster 4y agoLive in California long enough and your work ethic will melt and your life will become much more interesting.
- throwaway787544 4y agoIt's because he was interested in philosophy (particularly Leibniz). He also left a job he liked just to develop PowerShell at MS. (he wrote an entire manifesto about it)