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This does not make sense I don’t expect every single site I visit to explain the fundamentals of everything.

by lloydatkinson 4y ago

pas 4y ago
Not everything, just the thing that is fundamental to the ecosystem the site belongs to.
- tomc1985 4y ago
  Still a bit unreasonable if you ask me. Nothing wrong with putting the responsibility for googling on the user.
  - peteforde 4y ago
    Your assertion that there's nothing wrong with not explaining why a thing exists is not backed by reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4 Of course, it's their choice. But don't conflate that with being the best thing for the project or the visitor. Presumably the site exists to convince people to use it, no?
- hnlmorg 4y ago
  It's a really common term. Odds are if you don't know what a homelab is then you're quite far removed from anyone who would benefit from this. While I'm completely in favour of having documentation that is explicit, there is a fine line between that and flooding your landing page with super basic content that doesn't help your target audience just so that those who don't need this can understand why they don't need it. If you can't understand why that is a problem then think for a moment who the audience is and why it's important that your content be tailored for them.
  - peteforde 4y ago
    I'm a third-generation maker and inventor. My job requires that I have an intimate understanding of engineering, prototyping, hardware, software and networking. I literally have two kinds of soldering gun on my desk, alongside an oscilloscope and a signal generator. I can talk you through how traffic is routed around the internet and what happens when you press a key on your keyboard in nauseating detail. Clearly, it's not as common a term as you believe that it is.
    - hnlmorg 4y ago
      I said “common”, not “universal”. I accept that there will be edge cases but that doesn’t mean it is an uncommon term. Though it does sound like you operate in a different domain. I’ve generally heard the term in relation to sysadmin and related fields. While there’s nothing stopping an electrical engineer nor inventors from having a home lab I’ve generally heard them talk about their environment in more physical terms (eg soldering station) whereas a home lab (in computing context) is often just a rack in a cupboard. So it’s more of an ethereal space. This is all hugely generally speaking, of course. But it might go some what into explaining why you hadn’t heard of the term before.

This does not make sense I don’t expect every single site I visit to explain the fundamentals of everything.

pas 4y ago

Not everything, just the thing that is fundamental to the ecosystem the site belongs to.

tomc1985 4y ago
Still a bit unreasonable if you ask me. Nothing wrong with putting the responsibility for googling on the user.
- peteforde 4y ago
  Your assertion that there's nothing wrong with not explaining why a thing exists is not backed by reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4 Of course, it's their choice. But don't conflate that with being the best thing for the project or the visitor. Presumably the site exists to convince people to use it, no?
hnlmorg 4y ago
It's a really common term. Odds are if you don't know what a homelab is then you're quite far removed from anyone who would benefit from this. While I'm completely in favour of having documentation that is explicit, there is a fine line between that and flooding your landing page with super basic content that doesn't help your target audience just so that those who don't need this can understand why they don't need it. If you can't understand why that is a problem then think for a moment who the audience is and why it's important that your content be tailored for them.
- peteforde 4y ago
  I'm a third-generation maker and inventor. My job requires that I have an intimate understanding of engineering, prototyping, hardware, software and networking. I literally have two kinds of soldering gun on my desk, alongside an oscilloscope and a signal generator. I can talk you through how traffic is routed around the internet and what happens when you press a key on your keyboard in nauseating detail. Clearly, it's not as common a term as you believe that it is.
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    I said “common”, not “universal”. I accept that there will be edge cases but that doesn’t mean it is an uncommon term. Though it does sound like you operate in a different domain. I’ve generally heard the term in relation to sysadmin and related fields. While there’s nothing stopping an electrical engineer nor inventors from having a home lab I’ve generally heard them talk about their environment in more physical terms (eg soldering station) whereas a home lab (in computing context) is often just a rack in a cupboard. So it’s more of an ethereal space. This is all hugely generally speaking, of course. But it might go some what into explaining why you hadn’t heard of the term before.