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Is there more discussion about the 'framed' part? I mean how was the counter perceived. The whole 'setup' looks like: - show how to write a spreadsheet applica

Is there more discussion about the 'framed' part? I mean how was the counter perceived. The whole 'setup' looks like: - show how to write a spreadsheet application - here you go, couple of hundred pages it is though - ahh, silly person, why not type 'excel' So what happened next? Everybody rolled eyes, or people said 'yeah, typing excel is pure genious'?

jonsen 4y ago
The WP page has a little more info https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Critique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Critiqu...
psyc 4y ago
Funny, I came in here to write this exact comment, but I was going to use Word. Wonder why our minds go to MS Office... First thing that comes to mind when we think "big and complicated?"
- ______-_-______ 4y ago
  Traumatized minds think alike
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  > Wonder why our minds go to MS Office... We should look into this. Want me to add a Jira Epic?
  - ineedasername 4y ago
    Let's schedule a scrum. Come ready with relevant user stories and appropriate story points. But maybe we need a powwow beforehand to decide on a theme. Either way I want us to settle on tasks an be ready to sprint by EOD.
    - CoastalCoder 4y ago
      You got bingo!
    - SahAssar 4y ago
      Can we circle back on the story points? I need to touch base with the agile lead on the new WOW since the old scrum poker cards where deprecated.
Jtsummers 4y ago
The problem that our industry runs into (NB: not just this industry) with critiques like McIlroy's is that people remember the highlights ("Haha, LP is silly and makes fragile, Faberge eggs instead of robust systems.") instead of remembering the context (Knuth was asked to illustrate LP, he did, McIlroy critiqued the monolithic resulting program more than the LP style itself). This happens repeatedly (not just this example, many others), and since the vast majority of people are never going to go back to the original sources we have a giant game of telephone. Generation after generation are given a variation on the summary theme, further and further removed from the original context. The speaker will elaborate on the criticism, but since they didn't read it themselves they're actually just bullshitting (semi-honest effort as they're pulling in the information they were given, but it's still bullshitting because they didn't bother to read).

jonsen 4y ago

The WP page has a little more info https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Critique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming#Critiqu...

psyc 4y ago

Funny, I came in here to write this exact comment, but I was going to use Word. Wonder why our minds go to MS Office... First thing that comes to mind when we think "big and complicated?"

______-_-______ 4y ago
Traumatized minds think alike
CoastalCoder 4y ago
> Wonder why our minds go to MS Office... We should look into this. Want me to add a Jira Epic?
- ineedasername 4y ago
  Let's schedule a scrum. Come ready with relevant user stories and appropriate story points. But maybe we need a powwow beforehand to decide on a theme. Either way I want us to settle on tasks an be ready to sprint by EOD.
  - CoastalCoder 4y ago
    You got bingo!
  - SahAssar 4y ago
    Can we circle back on the story points? I need to touch base with the agile lead on the new WOW since the old scrum poker cards where deprecated.

Jtsummers 4y ago

The problem that our industry runs into (NB: not just this industry) with critiques like McIlroy's is that people remember the highlights ("Haha, LP is silly and makes fragile, Faberge eggs instead of robust systems.") instead of remembering the context (Knuth was asked to illustrate LP, he did, McIlroy critiqued the monolithic resulting program more than the LP style itself). This happens repeatedly (not just this example, many others), and since the vast majority of people are never going to go back to the original sources we have a giant game of telephone. Generation after generation are given a variation on the summary theme, further and further removed from the original context. The speaker will elaborate on the criticism, but since they didn't read it themselves they're actually just bullshitting (semi-honest effort as they're pulling in the information they were given, but it's still bullshitting because they didn't bother to read).