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Who gets the ticket if a law abiding driver is in frame with a scofflaw? Exhaust noise regulations are generally based on a specific distance and orientation a

Who gets the ticket if a law abiding driver is in frame with a scofflaw? Exhaust noise regulations are generally based on a specific distance and orientation at ground level. How are they going to prove that they met those conditions? 95dB for cars but only 80dB for motorcycles. I doubt my 15 year old bike meets that with its stock exhaust. Regardless, now a car can trip the camera and the blame falls on someone driving a quieter vehicle.

Manuel_D 5y ago
I can imagine that they'd take multiple samples. E.g. do you see the same car in the same sound-triggered photo N number of times? An abiding car would have to be exceptionally unlucky to get confused with the loud vehicle.
- Johnythree 5y ago
  This. Your car only gets flagged if it is recorded on multiple occasions. And even then, it is not a fine, but is required to visit a testing station.
gfaster 5y ago
From how I see it, if your bike is loud enough that it is in violation of noise ordinances then you should take it to a shop and mod it if you expect to be driving around other people. Also, if I had to guess, the reasoning for the limit for cars being higher is that past about 20(?)mph the tire noise makes up for the majority of the noise (which is proportional to weight)
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  Vehicles in stock configuration can't be forced to comply with newer laws. That's why you can drive without seatbelts in a car that's old enough. Same with tire pressure monitoring and backup cameras.
  - gfaster 5y ago
    Yup, and the law applies to vehicles built after 1985. Also the law isn't new, the only thing new introduced here is automated enforcement
  - hooloovoo_zoo 5y ago
    They can definitely be forced to comply. In fact there's already a precedent in California for banning existing cars that emit too much smog.
tsuujin 5y ago
It’s ok, it’s California so they’ll just tack the fee onto your registration and force you to pay it if you want to drive legally. At one point I got a ticket for my car for parking without a permit at a college. The college was in a city that I had never been to, and the make/model of my car did not match the report, so it was obviously a mistake taking down the license. Should be easy to clear up, right? Apparently no. I didn’t find out about that ticket until I got a renewal notice that was way, way more expensive than normal. I spent the next two months making daily calls to try to get this fixed, unsuccessfully. The advice I got was to take it to court, which would have been about ten hours of round trip driving. I eventually just paid the ticket so I could renew my registration without incurring a late fee. I have a very high level of distrust in this system, I hate that another automated crap shoot may be upcoming. I would like the asshole noise machines to stop, but this is not the way.
- bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
  What makes you think this ticket had anything to do with automation, and wasn't just an incompetent traffic cop?
  - tsuujin 5y ago
    The ticket I got was almost certainly a manual accident in writing down a license plate, but the story serves to illustrate how incredibly difficult it can be to clear up mistakes and how tying it to registration places increased limits on timeframes. Automated systems are going to get it wrong, and it’s not worth the risk.

Manuel_D 5y ago

I can imagine that they'd take multiple samples. E.g. do you see the same car in the same sound-triggered photo N number of times? An abiding car would have to be exceptionally unlucky to get confused with the loud vehicle.

Johnythree 5y ago
This. Your car only gets flagged if it is recorded on multiple occasions. And even then, it is not a fine, but is required to visit a testing station.

gfaster 5y ago

From how I see it, if your bike is loud enough that it is in violation of noise ordinances then you should take it to a shop and mod it if you expect to be driving around other people. Also, if I had to guess, the reasoning for the limit for cars being higher is that past about 20(?)mph the tire noise makes up for the majority of the noise (which is proportional to weight)

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
Vehicles in stock configuration can't be forced to comply with newer laws. That's why you can drive without seatbelts in a car that's old enough. Same with tire pressure monitoring and backup cameras.
- gfaster 5y ago
  Yup, and the law applies to vehicles built after 1985. Also the law isn't new, the only thing new introduced here is automated enforcement
- hooloovoo_zoo 5y ago
  They can definitely be forced to comply. In fact there's already a precedent in California for banning existing cars that emit too much smog.

tsuujin 5y ago

It’s ok, it’s California so they’ll just tack the fee onto your registration and force you to pay it if you want to drive legally. At one point I got a ticket for my car for parking without a permit at a college. The college was in a city that I had never been to, and the make/model of my car did not match the report, so it was obviously a mistake taking down the license. Should be easy to clear up, right? Apparently no. I didn’t find out about that ticket until I got a renewal notice that was way, way more expensive than normal. I spent the next two months making daily calls to try to get this fixed, unsuccessfully. The advice I got was to take it to court, which would have been about ten hours of round trip driving. I eventually just paid the ticket so I could renew my registration without incurring a late fee. I have a very high level of distrust in this system, I hate that another automated crap shoot may be upcoming. I would like the asshole noise machines to stop, but this is not the way.

bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
What makes you think this ticket had anything to do with automation, and wasn't just an incompetent traffic cop?
- tsuujin 5y ago
  The ticket I got was almost certainly a manual accident in writing down a license plate, but the story serves to illustrate how incredibly difficult it can be to clear up mistakes and how tying it to registration places increased limits on timeframes. Automated systems are going to get it wrong, and it’s not worth the risk.