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>What right is being given up? Any reasonable expectation of privacy. Not all cars are committing a crime when driving past, but every car driving-by will be l

>What right is being given up? Any reasonable expectation of privacy. Not all cars are committing a crime when driving past, but every car driving-by will be logged. At least that is already a status quo in most of Europe, unfortunately.

mikeyouse 4y ago
ALPR is a completely different technology that exists completely separately than traffic enforcement cameras. It’s completely possible to ban widespread ALPR usage and maintain automatic enforcement with speed / noise cameras.
toomuchtodo 4y ago
There is no expectation of privacy in public in the US.
- neoromantique 4y ago
  I mean, yeah, but having your movement constantly tracked by government is still unsettling. I feel the right way to handle that(and traffic infractions in general) is through culture, not surveillance.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    > I feel the right way to handle that(and traffic infractions in general) is through culture, not surveillance. We’re well past a polite society as a solution. Regulation and governance around collected data, with accountability for transgressions, is the path to success.
    - neoromantique 4y ago
      So, like Chinese social credit system? Thanks, but no thanks, I'd like to avoid living in a literal dystopia for as long as I possibly can.
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    - robonerd 4y ago
      > We’re well past a polite society as a solution. Isn't that a bit fatalist? Perhaps our society has degenerated, but who's to say things can't get better? Things have gotten better before. Society used to be very rude and brutish, but then got better. It could get better again, without having to build a techno-surveillance authoritarian monster with capabilities the Stasi could only dream of...
      - toomuchtodo 4y ago
        > Isn't that a bit fatalist? I call it like I see it. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Hoping people will be better does not make it so, in my experience. Some encouragement is occasionally required.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    I agree the correct way to handle this would be to change our culture to be less selfish and obnoxious. That doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. The richest man in the world is currently an emotional infant that makes 69/420 jokes every other day and everyone applauds. We are living in a Troll society. The result is policies like this to try to put some kind of a lid on it.
fnordpiglet 4y ago
There’s literally no expectation, promise, or protection of privacy in public. That’s why I’m more than entitled to hang a camera on my front door and record everyone walking down the street, or for that matter take a photograph in public that might capture other people. There are literally no rights infringed, and if police were stationed and handing out tickets manually it would be entirely equivalent. The only difference is the automated solution never tires and doesn’t give tickets to people of color only.
faeriechangling 4y ago
There has never been any expectation of privacy on a public motorway in my lifetime. Cops could always literally pull you over and peer into your vehicle with a flashlight on the vague grounds of being suspicious. Nowadays there's the rising popularity of things like dash cams. Public roads are an area where safety absolutely pummelled privacy in the war between the two values.

mikeyouse 4y ago

ALPR is a completely different technology that exists completely separately than traffic enforcement cameras. It’s completely possible to ban widespread ALPR usage and maintain automatic enforcement with speed / noise cameras.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

There is no expectation of privacy in public in the US.

neoromantique 4y ago
I mean, yeah, but having your movement constantly tracked by government is still unsettling. I feel the right way to handle that(and traffic infractions in general) is through culture, not surveillance.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  > I feel the right way to handle that(and traffic infractions in general) is through culture, not surveillance. We’re well past a polite society as a solution. Regulation and governance around collected data, with accountability for transgressions, is the path to success.
  - neoromantique 4y ago
    So, like Chinese social credit system? Thanks, but no thanks, I'd like to avoid living in a literal dystopia for as long as I possibly can.
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  - robonerd 4y ago
    > We’re well past a polite society as a solution. Isn't that a bit fatalist? Perhaps our society has degenerated, but who's to say things can't get better? Things have gotten better before. Society used to be very rude and brutish, but then got better. It could get better again, without having to build a techno-surveillance authoritarian monster with capabilities the Stasi could only dream of...
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      > Isn't that a bit fatalist? I call it like I see it. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Hoping people will be better does not make it so, in my experience. Some encouragement is occasionally required.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  I agree the correct way to handle this would be to change our culture to be less selfish and obnoxious. That doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. The richest man in the world is currently an emotional infant that makes 69/420 jokes every other day and everyone applauds. We are living in a Troll society. The result is policies like this to try to put some kind of a lid on it.

fnordpiglet 4y ago

There’s literally no expectation, promise, or protection of privacy in public. That’s why I’m more than entitled to hang a camera on my front door and record everyone walking down the street, or for that matter take a photograph in public that might capture other people. There are literally no rights infringed, and if police were stationed and handing out tickets manually it would be entirely equivalent. The only difference is the automated solution never tires and doesn’t give tickets to people of color only.

faeriechangling 4y ago

There has never been any expectation of privacy on a public motorway in my lifetime. Cops could always literally pull you over and peer into your vehicle with a flashlight on the vague grounds of being suspicious. Nowadays there's the rising popularity of things like dash cams. Public roads are an area where safety absolutely pummelled privacy in the war between the two values.