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Well, let's just limit cars to the speed limit automatically then. They have had GPS for 20 years, it seems about time. No surveillance, no dollars. Same as we

Well, let's just limit cars to the speed limit automatically then. They have had GPS for 20 years, it seems about time. No surveillance, no dollars. Same as we can and should set strict sound limits at homologation.

xapata 5y ago
I dunno, seems reasonable to let people pay to violate some ordinances. Maybe one day you're in a hurry and you don't mind paying the speeding tax.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  > dunno, seems reasonable to let people pay to violate some ordinances That's literally what a zoning variance or an oversize load permit is.
- stefan_ 5y ago
  It's not a tax, it's the law.
- timbit42 5y ago
  One of the reasons for speed limits is to prevent death. Deciding to pay a fine isn't an acceptable reason to speed.
  - mlyle 5y ago
    And if we slowed down even more, we'd have even less death. It may sound crass. But-- fundamentally, society is making an economic tradeoff between the economic cost of a certain amount of death and the economic cost of taking longer to get places in your car.
    - stefan_ 5y ago
      No, there is no need for someone to go 80mph in a city and hit and kill someone else. Just as there is no need for 300kW engines and the like. That's not a tradeoff with anything; we can very simply do without.
      - mlyle 5y ago
        > there is no need for someone to go 80mph in a city and hit and kill someone else. Hyperbole is not awesome. I don't think anyone was advocating to go 80MPH in a city and to hit and kill someone else. I don't believe there's some bright line where going 25.001MPH is completely unsafe and reckless and 24.999MPH is completely OK. In the end, the limit is an arbitrary value providing a tradeoff between economics and safety, and people obey that particular exact value to avoid getting fined.
mistrial9 5y ago
> limit cars to the speed limit automatically then the contract between society and an individual can be intermediated with required technology, administered by courts and local enforcement? you want that?
- stefan_ 5y ago
  What do you mean? I have a contract to pay Spotify some dollars and receive music in return, yet they sure as fuck use "required technology" to check I actually paid them. It seems infinitely more important to do that on public roads where public law mandates a speed limit, yet speeding kills thousands - and often those who 1) were not in a car and 2) certainly weren't speeding.
10amxn10 5y ago

xapata 5y ago

I dunno, seems reasonable to let people pay to violate some ordinances. Maybe one day you're in a hurry and you don't mind paying the speeding tax.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
> dunno, seems reasonable to let people pay to violate some ordinances That's literally what a zoning variance or an oversize load permit is.
stefan_ 5y ago
It's not a tax, it's the law.
timbit42 5y ago
One of the reasons for speed limits is to prevent death. Deciding to pay a fine isn't an acceptable reason to speed.
- mlyle 5y ago
  And if we slowed down even more, we'd have even less death. It may sound crass. But-- fundamentally, society is making an economic tradeoff between the economic cost of a certain amount of death and the economic cost of taking longer to get places in your car.
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    No, there is no need for someone to go 80mph in a city and hit and kill someone else. Just as there is no need for 300kW engines and the like. That's not a tradeoff with anything; we can very simply do without.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      > there is no need for someone to go 80mph in a city and hit and kill someone else. Hyperbole is not awesome. I don't think anyone was advocating to go 80MPH in a city and to hit and kill someone else. I don't believe there's some bright line where going 25.001MPH is completely unsafe and reckless and 24.999MPH is completely OK. In the end, the limit is an arbitrary value providing a tradeoff between economics and safety, and people obey that particular exact value to avoid getting fined.

mistrial9 5y ago

> limit cars to the speed limit automatically then the contract between society and an individual can be intermediated with required technology, administered by courts and local enforcement? you want that?

stefan_ 5y ago
What do you mean? I have a contract to pay Spotify some dollars and receive music in return, yet they sure as fuck use "required technology" to check I actually paid them. It seems infinitely more important to do that on public roads where public law mandates a speed limit, yet speeding kills thousands - and often those who 1) were not in a car and 2) certainly weren't speeding.

10amxn10 5y ago