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That makes you management buddy, so saddle up and don't forget your helmet.

by mmmpop 4y ago

csande17 4y ago
If you can become an enemy of the union simply by being good at your individual-contributor job, maybe that's why unions haven't really taken off in software engineering.
- mmmpop 4y ago
  I'd venture a guess that the variance in quality between a set of "professional" electricians and another set of "professional" developers is different by an order of magnitude. Said another way, I can go down to the union hall and pick an electrician randomly and have a great deal more confidence in that person's ability than I could choosing a random developer off of LinkedIn to write my application. I think certifications have something to do with this, but it's also the complete lack of understanding of what makes someone a good developer by management... this is entirely the fault of management and I don't blame a developer for trying to "fake it til you make it."
heartbreak 4y ago
Not-so-subtle threats of violence. Another reason not to like labor unions.
- Clubber 4y ago
  People should really stop with the hyperbole. It makes people not take you seriously and ruins the message, even if valid.
  - GeorgeTirebiter 4y ago
    Completely agree. Generally, when hyperbole is used, the underlying argument is week or poor, and the writer is trying to argue from emotion. Sadly, it often works.
  - mmmpop 4y ago
    As a person not necessarily opposed to labor unions, I'm curious as to how the previous post was hyperbolic? Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal, so let's not act like union folks are all saints. Somewhat relevant: https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/denver-firefighter-suspended-stuffed-rat/73-12327937-645e-4ad6-9810-6f05425f0217 https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/denver-fir...
    - Clubber 4y ago
      >Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal What do you base this on? Movies? Telling someone to strap on a helmet isn't a threat of violence to a reasonable person. Putting a stuffed rat on a ledge near someone's bed is also not a threat of violence. If it had a noose or something, you'd have a better argument. Here's actual violence done against picketers and looked the other way by police in Alabama: https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/striking-miners-wife-hit-by-vehicle-at-warrior-met-coal-picket-line-union-says.html https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/striking-miners-wife-hit-by-... Here's a few more people running into picketers in Alabama. Apparently these are strikebreakers: https://www.wbrc.com/2021/06/08/video-shows-trucks-hitting-workers-picketing-outside-warrior-met-coal/ https://www.wbrc.com/2021/06/08/video-shows-trucks-hitting-w... Here's another: https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/crime/police-investigate-video-appearing-to-show-car-picketer-colliding-as-biw-strike-heats-up/97-af6ee157-5933-43cb-93b8-5bf06ab0d750 https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/crime/police-in... And another: https://abc7news.com/uc-union-strike-university-of-california-workers/3439829/ https://abc7news.com/uc-union-strike-university-of-californi... There's plenty more.
      - mmmpop 4y ago
        Sure, that's all bad stuff, I agree. But cross a picket-line or hire on as a scab during a strike in a small town and you'd best watch your back... hence the motivation for the "wear a helmet" comment. My hometown was founded on steel and railroads and I knew of more than one person growing up that got jumped for not toeing the line and playing ball with the union.
        4y ago

That makes you management buddy, so saddle up and don't forget your helmet.

by mmmpop 4y ago

That makes you management buddy, so saddle up and don't forget your helmet.

If you can become an enemy of the union simply by being good at your individual-contributor job, maybe that's why unions haven't really taken off in software engineering.

mmmpop 4y ago
I'd venture a guess that the variance in quality between a set of "professional" electricians and another set of "professional" developers is different by an order of magnitude. Said another way, I can go down to the union hall and pick an electrician randomly and have a great deal more confidence in that person's ability than I could choosing a random developer off of LinkedIn to write my application. I think certifications have something to do with this, but it's also the complete lack of understanding of what makes someone a good developer by management... this is entirely the fault of management and I don't blame a developer for trying to "fake it til you make it."

heartbreak 4y ago

Not-so-subtle threats of violence. Another reason not to like labor unions.

Clubber 4y ago
People should really stop with the hyperbole. It makes people not take you seriously and ruins the message, even if valid.
- GeorgeTirebiter 4y ago
  Completely agree. Generally, when hyperbole is used, the underlying argument is week or poor, and the writer is trying to argue from emotion. Sadly, it often works.
- mmmpop 4y ago
  As a person not necessarily opposed to labor unions, I'm curious as to how the previous post was hyperbolic? Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal, so let's not act like union folks are all saints. Somewhat relevant: https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/denver-firefighter-suspended-stuffed-rat/73-12327937-645e-4ad6-9810-6f05425f0217 https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/denver-fir...
  - Clubber 4y ago
    >Violence and organized labor go together like milk and cereal What do you base this on? Movies? Telling someone to strap on a helmet isn't a threat of violence to a reasonable person. Putting a stuffed rat on a ledge near someone's bed is also not a threat of violence. If it had a noose or something, you'd have a better argument. Here's actual violence done against picketers and looked the other way by police in Alabama: https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/striking-miners-wife-hit-by-vehicle-at-warrior-met-coal-picket-line-union-says.html https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/striking-miners-wife-hit-by-... Here's a few more people running into picketers in Alabama. Apparently these are strikebreakers: https://www.wbrc.com/2021/06/08/video-shows-trucks-hitting-workers-picketing-outside-warrior-met-coal/ https://www.wbrc.com/2021/06/08/video-shows-trucks-hitting-w... Here's another: https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/crime/police-investigate-video-appearing-to-show-car-picketer-colliding-as-biw-strike-heats-up/97-af6ee157-5933-43cb-93b8-5bf06ab0d750 https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/crime/police-in... And another: https://abc7news.com/uc-union-strike-university-of-california-workers/3439829/ https://abc7news.com/uc-union-strike-university-of-californi... There's plenty more.
    - mmmpop 4y ago
      Sure, that's all bad stuff, I agree. But cross a picket-line or hire on as a scab during a strike in a small town and you'd best watch your back... hence the motivation for the "wear a helmet" comment. My hometown was founded on steel and railroads and I knew of more than one person growing up that got jumped for not toeing the line and playing ball with the union.
      - 4y ago