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Hanlon’s Razor. Modern German culture frowns upon anything military. Zero-knowledge is common. That includes ambassadors and politicians. The war has made some

Hanlon’s Razor. Modern German culture frowns upon anything military. Zero-knowledge is common. That includes ambassadors and politicians. The war has made some to start to learn. Media is making jokes about them.

logifail 4y ago
> Modern German culture frowns upon anything military. Zero-knowledge is common. That includes ambassadors and politicians. Not just the Germans. Remember all those comments in the West (from people with apparently no military experience) calling for NATO to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine in early March? Then Biden and Stoltenberg explained what a no-fly zone actually is[0]. (Spoiler: it's not just a press release.) [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/politics/blinken-stoltenberg-no-fly-zone-warning/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/politics/blinken-stoltenb...
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  I do remember calls for a no-fly zone by the excellent Ukrainian PR work. I don't remember any significant calls for it by others, possibly in the form of forwarding the request. I do assume that it was obvious to most that a no-fly zone would imply killing Russian aircraft. Planes get shot down at borders in times of peace, so that might not to be that much of problem. However, to establish a minimum of safety for NATO aircraft enforcing a no-fly zone SAM sites on Russian soil would need to be disabled. Doing so would surely be considered crossing a border (literally an figuratively).
  - logifail 4y ago
    > I don't remember any significant calls for it by others At least one US Senator did[0][1] although judging by the Twitter responses it seems he lacks foreign policy experience (I'm putting that very mildly...) [0] https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2022/3/sen-rick-scott-biden-must-allow-plane-transfer-to-ukraine-or-enforce-a-no-fly-zone https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2022/3/sen-rick-scott-biden... [1] https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1504108727871623168 https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1504108727871623168

logifail 4y ago

> Modern German culture frowns upon anything military. Zero-knowledge is common. That includes ambassadors and politicians. Not just the Germans. Remember all those comments in the West (from people with apparently no military experience) calling for NATO to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine in early March? Then Biden and Stoltenberg explained what a no-fly zone actually is[0]. (Spoiler: it's not just a press release.) [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/politics/blinken-stoltenberg-no-fly-zone-warning/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/politics/blinken-stoltenb...

someweirdperson 4y ago
I do remember calls for a no-fly zone by the excellent Ukrainian PR work. I don't remember any significant calls for it by others, possibly in the form of forwarding the request. I do assume that it was obvious to most that a no-fly zone would imply killing Russian aircraft. Planes get shot down at borders in times of peace, so that might not to be that much of problem. However, to establish a minimum of safety for NATO aircraft enforcing a no-fly zone SAM sites on Russian soil would need to be disabled. Doing so would surely be considered crossing a border (literally an figuratively).
- logifail 4y ago
  > I don't remember any significant calls for it by others At least one US Senator did[0][1] although judging by the Twitter responses it seems he lacks foreign policy experience (I'm putting that very mildly...) [0] https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2022/3/sen-rick-scott-biden-must-allow-plane-transfer-to-ukraine-or-enforce-a-no-fly-zone https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2022/3/sen-rick-scott-biden... [1] https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1504108727871623168 https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1504108727871623168