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Not sure if this is the case, Celerons are just plain bad… e.g. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n4500-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https:

Not sure if this is the case, Celerons are just plain bad… e.g. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n4500-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n450... Single thread performed is kind of close, 860 is faster though. And let’s not even look at the MT benchmarks. And generally it seems that most medium/high end chromebooks with ARM cpus are generally able to outperform x86 ones.

my123 4y ago
Snapdragon 7c Chromebooks do indeed outperform the Pentium-based machines… Says more about Intel’s Atom line than anything tbh.
jeffbee 4y ago
That’s because it’s an atom-type CPU core, and not a good one (the good ones are called “Atom”). A laptop with this CPU basically is using the “efficiency core” from a recent laptop but as its main core. There are plenty of Core-class x86 ChromeOS laptops and these smoke all ARM-based laptops excepting Apple’s.
magila 4y ago
You're comparing an Atom based Celeron, which is the bottom of the barrel for Intel CPUs and not something which often shows up in Windows laptops, to a top-of-the-line Snapdragon SoC. The wholesale price of the 860 is probably 2-3x that of the N4500.
- coolsunglasses 4y ago
  https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n4020-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n402... The N4020 is the model of Celeron used in the 2021 Dell Chromebook. I'm seeing N3060, 2955U, etc. The Pentium Silver N5000, which isn't badged as a Celeron, is still much slower on multi-threaded and single-threaded perf: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_pentium_silver_n5000-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_pentium_silv... The entire Snapdragon 865 package cost manufacturers $150-$160. The Pentium Silver N5000 retails for $90-100. The 860 would presumably be even cheaper than the 865.
  - pezdeath 4y ago
    That's dell basically ripping consumers off. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-7300-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.604546.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-7300-Processor-B... Is the latest celeron which should be more or less equal to a 6th gen i7 while using a lot less power. They are selling a 3 year old celeron in a 2021/2022 chromebook which is inexcusable. Acer sells a chromebook with an i5 that's routinely $430 refurbished (yes it's a refurb but it's basically always available) https://acerrecertified.com/chromebooks/?_bc_fsnf=1&Processor+Type=Intel+Core+i5 https://acerrecertified.com/chromebooks/?_bc_fsnf=1&Processo...
  - ksec 4y ago
    >The entire Snapdragon 865 package cost manufacturers $150-$160. The Pentium Silver N5000 retails for $90-100. The 860 would presumably be even cheaper than the 865. Sign. I would be surprised if dell is buying the Pentium N5000 along with chipset for more than $60. And that is excluding marketing rebate.
iszomer 4y ago
Not always. My recently deceased Thinkpad 13 chromebook with an Intel 3855U held up despite lacking support for multithreading. My HP Mini 311 with an N270 played HL2 and CS pretty well for a single core processor (yes, the Nvidia ION helped). Currently rocking a Lenovo chromebook Flex 5i with an i3-1115G4 and it's outperforming my phone's Snapdragon 845 in rendering video animations by a reasonably well margin.

my123 4y ago

Snapdragon 7c Chromebooks do indeed outperform the Pentium-based machines… Says more about Intel’s Atom line than anything tbh.

jeffbee 4y ago

That’s because it’s an atom-type CPU core, and not a good one (the good ones are called “Atom”). A laptop with this CPU basically is using the “efficiency core” from a recent laptop but as its main core. There are plenty of Core-class x86 ChromeOS laptops and these smoke all ARM-based laptops excepting Apple’s.

magila 4y ago

You're comparing an Atom based Celeron, which is the bottom of the barrel for Intel CPUs and not something which often shows up in Windows laptops, to a top-of-the-line Snapdragon SoC. The wholesale price of the 860 is probably 2-3x that of the N4500.

coolsunglasses 4y ago
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n4020-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n402... The N4020 is the model of Celeron used in the 2021 Dell Chromebook. I'm seeing N3060, 2955U, etc. The Pentium Silver N5000, which isn't badged as a Celeron, is still much slower on multi-threaded and single-threaded perf: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_pentium_silver_n5000-vs-qualcomm_snapdragon_860 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_pentium_silv... The entire Snapdragon 865 package cost manufacturers $150-$160. The Pentium Silver N5000 retails for $90-100. The 860 would presumably be even cheaper than the 865.
- pezdeath 4y ago
  That's dell basically ripping consumers off. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-7300-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.604546.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-7300-Processor-B... Is the latest celeron which should be more or less equal to a 6th gen i7 while using a lot less power. They are selling a 3 year old celeron in a 2021/2022 chromebook which is inexcusable. Acer sells a chromebook with an i5 that's routinely $430 refurbished (yes it's a refurb but it's basically always available) https://acerrecertified.com/chromebooks/?_bc_fsnf=1&Processor+Type=Intel+Core+i5 https://acerrecertified.com/chromebooks/?_bc_fsnf=1&Processo...
- ksec 4y ago
  >The entire Snapdragon 865 package cost manufacturers $150-$160. The Pentium Silver N5000 retails for $90-100. The 860 would presumably be even cheaper than the 865. Sign. I would be surprised if dell is buying the Pentium N5000 along with chipset for more than $60. And that is excluding marketing rebate.

iszomer 4y ago

Not always. My recently deceased Thinkpad 13 chromebook with an Intel 3855U held up despite lacking support for multithreading. My HP Mini 311 with an N270 played HL2 and CS pretty well for a single core processor (yes, the Nvidia ION helped). Currently rocking a Lenovo chromebook Flex 5i with an i3-1115G4 and it's outperforming my phone's Snapdragon 845 in rendering video animations by a reasonably well margin.