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They had the option. Nobody ever forced European countries to accept mass immigration. They could have remained closed and avoided outside cultural influence i
by School-Cotton 5y ago
They had the option. Nobody ever forced European countries to accept mass immigration. They could have remained closed and avoided outside cultural influence if they had wanted to, but most of them didn’t.
- throwaway_1928 5y agoIn fact, they went around forcing their culture upon others. This is historically a fact. Let's see what the HN censors say.
- Aurelius3 5y agoMany did, but many did not, entirety of eastern europe (minus Russia), germany, nordics, balkans, and central european states had no history of colonization or very little, and even then it was not in the regions most associated with migration to europe. Only things besides colonization that come to mind are wars in the middle east, and every country I listed besides germany is too small to matter in that.
- Ekaros 5y agoThey didn't do much colonization because they were too busy fighting wars with each other... For centuries... WW1 and WW2 and even the current conflict is just singular events in long line of internal wars of Europe. Also something that should not be easily forgotten or ever forgiven is the missionary work by religious groups... Destroying cultures around world. It is sad we have not punished them for that and maybe even banned them to protect the future.
- Aurelius3 5y ago>They didn't do much colonization because they were too busy fighting wars with each other No, nearly every one of the countries I listed had simply no intention or means to colonize effectively at a profit, has nothing to do with preoccupation with continental wars. > Also something that should not be easily forgotten or ever forgiven is the missionary work by religious groups Again, all of the countries I mentioned had very little if not null participation in this, and yet to varying degrees they are being punished for it...
- betaby 5y agoEver heard about Genghis Khan? Mehmed II?
- School-Cotton 5y agoThe comment you’re replying to never claimed that Europeans are the only people who have ever imposed their culture on others. As you point out, that claim would be patently absurd.
- xienze 5y ago> Nobody ever forced European countries to accept mass immigration. It came up for a direct vote? Or did politicians who never ran on mass immigration platforms just kinda decide to introduce legislation? People tend to conflate the acceptance of mass immigration in western countries (by characterizing opposition as horribly racist) with tacit approval by the citizens.
- unpopularopp 5y agoIn some countries it does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Hungarian_migrant_quota_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Hungarian_migrant_quota_r...
- School-Cotton 5y agoOf course in representative democracies not every topic is voted on in a referendum. The general failure of anti-immigration parties to win majorities in European countries suggests that most people are either pro-immigration or at least willing to accept it.
- xienze 5y ago> The general failure of anti-immigration parties to win majorities in European countries suggests that most people are either pro-immigration or at least willing to accept it. But again, that ties back to the demonization of being against immigration. Is it _really_ reflective of true popular support if you’re going to be labeled a racist if you don’t vote the right way?
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- School-Cotton 5y agoWell, that’s why voting is secret.
- spayce 5y agoThis idea that the population has a say and gets what it wants… This is most fascinating.