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The problem with Indian states are that the majority of those applicants come specifically from upper caste families. The US has already run into this issue. In

The problem with Indian states are that the majority of those applicants come specifically from upper caste families. The US has already run into this issue. In my opinion it would be a bad idea to further caste outside of India and into other countries as well. On the reasoning for the Punjab state, how would you verify that the person was from a specific region do you know anything about them or their culture? I'm sure you must know some of it but things like this can very easily be faked especially with a corrupt system of governance as India. I don't like to be judge jury and executioner but is there really any way of creating a system that limits it solely to a specific region? Especially more so with the information I've just given you?

b112 4y ago
By not caring what caste a person is, the US is specifically not caring about caste. In terms of immigration, even in Canada (very open to other cultures, more tolerant of them than the US), to become a citizen, there are tests to be passed, including either french or english literacy. This is to ensure that all citizens can communication with one another, and also, to understand local laws. And, essentially, local customs. In Canada (and the US), this means people are expected to not be racist, or biased, and there are laws against this. One may debate the effectiveness of these laws, however my point is that once here? People caught behaving if there is a caste system here, will be prosecuted. Beyond this, public schools, TV, movies, etc teach that all are equal. Sometimes, it takes a third generation immigrant to be "fully" localized, but eventually the parent culture is but a distant memory. This is reinforced by the surrounding culture, which doesn't care about caste systems. So my point is, we don't care, and we should not care. What we should do, is simply take applicants and be done with it. You do not have to apply through your government, you can get a job and apply directly. Now, are there Indian immigrants in the US, with consulting firms or companies, only accepting applications based upon caste? Well, that's discrimination, has nothing to do with immigration laws, instead employement laws, and can be prosecuted. And yes, it can be proven.
- bigbigbiga 4y ago
  Sadly, none of this is true. Dalits in the US even the small minority that they are experience even worse discrimination in the US than from India itself. India's English speaking caste consists of predominantly members of the upper caste of India. Now you can argue you can punish those who use caste to discriminate but the reality is that it's just not the case in india as the effectively create the barriers through the use of language and restricting the opportunity for those to learn it to only those who have and belong to upper castes. You talk about localization but in several countries this does not occur. We should care and saying we shouldn't is disingenuous and simply misinformative at best.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    My great grandfather came to the states in 1920 from Kapurthala and he was definitely not an upper caste person. It happened. Get over it.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    You should probably read Vivek Bald’s book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Harlem_and_the_Lost_Histories_of_South_Asian_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Harlem_and_the_Lost_Hi...
  - b112 4y ago
    Sadly, none of this is true. Dalits in the US even the small minority that they are experience even worse discrimination in the US than from India itself. Where is this happening? I assure you, most non-Indians have zero idea about caste and couldn't care less. Therefore, I gather that this is happening from other Indians in the US? In other words, you leave India to escape poverty and presumably racism, but then.. decide to live in predominantly Indian neighborhoods where they are racist, do buildness with, and work for, racist people?! Here is a strong suggestion. Don't live near these fools, don't work for them. Don't move to the US, and then, try to create an Indian culture and neighborhood in the US. Instead, just become American. Merge with the culture, and no more racist Indians.
sjnonweb 4y ago
I dont think you understand anything about what you just said. Are you Indian, NRI or Someone from west learning about India from the western press? Edit: You also mentioned that Dalit experience worse discrimination in US than in India! Where did you get that from? I'd just like to understand your overall point of view.

b112 4y ago

By not caring what caste a person is, the US is specifically not caring about caste. In terms of immigration, even in Canada (very open to other cultures, more tolerant of them than the US), to become a citizen, there are tests to be passed, including either french or english literacy. This is to ensure that all citizens can communication with one another, and also, to understand local laws. And, essentially, local customs. In Canada (and the US), this means people are expected to not be racist, or biased, and there are laws against this. One may debate the effectiveness of these laws, however my point is that once here? People caught behaving if there is a caste system here, will be prosecuted. Beyond this, public schools, TV, movies, etc teach that all are equal. Sometimes, it takes a third generation immigrant to be "fully" localized, but eventually the parent culture is but a distant memory. This is reinforced by the surrounding culture, which doesn't care about caste systems. So my point is, we don't care, and we should not care. What we should do, is simply take applicants and be done with it. You do not have to apply through your government, you can get a job and apply directly. Now, are there Indian immigrants in the US, with consulting firms or companies, only accepting applications based upon caste? Well, that's discrimination, has nothing to do with immigration laws, instead employement laws, and can be prosecuted. And yes, it can be proven.

bigbigbiga 4y ago
Sadly, none of this is true. Dalits in the US even the small minority that they are experience even worse discrimination in the US than from India itself. India's English speaking caste consists of predominantly members of the upper caste of India. Now you can argue you can punish those who use caste to discriminate but the reality is that it's just not the case in india as the effectively create the barriers through the use of language and restricting the opportunity for those to learn it to only those who have and belong to upper castes. You talk about localization but in several countries this does not occur. We should care and saying we shouldn't is disingenuous and simply misinformative at best.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  My great grandfather came to the states in 1920 from Kapurthala and he was definitely not an upper caste person. It happened. Get over it.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  You should probably read Vivek Bald’s book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Harlem_and_the_Lost_Histories_of_South_Asian_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Harlem_and_the_Lost_Hi...
- b112 4y ago
  Sadly, none of this is true. Dalits in the US even the small minority that they are experience even worse discrimination in the US than from India itself. Where is this happening? I assure you, most non-Indians have zero idea about caste and couldn't care less. Therefore, I gather that this is happening from other Indians in the US? In other words, you leave India to escape poverty and presumably racism, but then.. decide to live in predominantly Indian neighborhoods where they are racist, do buildness with, and work for, racist people?! Here is a strong suggestion. Don't live near these fools, don't work for them. Don't move to the US, and then, try to create an Indian culture and neighborhood in the US. Instead, just become American. Merge with the culture, and no more racist Indians.

sjnonweb 4y ago

I dont think you understand anything about what you just said. Are you Indian, NRI or Someone from west learning about India from the western press? Edit: You also mentioned that Dalit experience worse discrimination in US than in India! Where did you get that from? I'd just like to understand your overall point of view.