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Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is and the frontier mindset that comes with that. Importin

Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is and the frontier mindset that comes with that. Importing immigrants en masse is likely to cause a lot of social instability and isn't a decision that should be taken lightly. Think about it, all the hallmarks of Japanese society, tradition, respect, how will those survive if there's a relentless onslaught of foreigners who do not understand or believe in those values. Part of what made Japan was their ability to guard themselves from foreign encroachment and only incorporate elements of western culture that worked for them.

kadomony 4y ago
I'm not talking about turning Japan into a bastion of liberty like the US with "give me your poor, your tired, your weak". I'm talking about skilled workers that are willing to assimilate. I haven't taught myself Japanese for nothing. I'm not going to go over there and turn it into Texas.
- MLR 4y ago
  As far as I'm aware Japanese immigration policy for skilled workers is relatively lenient, it's just not generally considered an attractive place to migrate to from places that generate a lot of migrants.
  - kadomony 4y ago
    It's lenient for certain sectors--programming, engineering. Niche STEM stuff where English is expected as the uniting language. But for anything else, it can be very difficult to move there. But that leniency only comes into effect when you prove without question that it's near impossible to source local talent to fill a job, and the Japanese are extremely educated, so you're usually going to find companies will hire domestically before gambling on someone from the west who's used to superior salaries in USD. Even if you're the world's best, your salary will drop to about 1/2 or 1/3 of what you can make in the US.
watwut 4y ago
In what way is Japan less cutthroat?
- kadomony 4y ago
  Well, you don't see too many homeless people or citizens failing to receive medical treatment or retraining if they fall on hard times. It's a compassionate society when it comes to care. I'm sure it's cutthroat in the business sense, but that's normal. The US is cutthroat in nearly every aspect where we should care for one another and prevent problems from existing--gun control, drug use, unemployment, basic housing, education (this is getting worse the more evangelicals influence it), etc.
  - random314 4y ago
    > this is getting worse the more evangelicals influence it So, the problem is the homogeneous white rural population. Immigration is the ideal solution. They are the least susceptible to evangelicals.
jrochkind1 4y ago
I don't know if a "frontier mindset" comes from a hetereogenous population in general -- the very phrase "frontier" suggests to me it's more likely to come from our history where one kind of people had a "frontier" they were pushing out between them and people they were taking land from by force -- where one society of newcomers was entirely replacing/absorbing another pre-existing society, by force, not just hetereogenous people within a society. Obviously a pretty extreme conflict, that might result in lasting dynamics and mindsets, but the conflict wasn't really the inevitable effect of hetereogeniety alone -- and is of course a very different history than Japan's, and will remain so no matter their contemporary immigration policies.
asdff 4y ago
Plenty of other places in the world are homogeneous but aren't exactly well run either. Having a homogeneous culture isn't the secret sauce.
- random314 4y ago
  Don't ruin the pet argument of racists with logic.
- quartesixte 4y ago
  IMO, and IME, the secret sauce is their education curriculum. Japanese schoolteachers and the Japanese school curriculum spend a lot of time drilling correct social behavior in the classroom. You are socialized to obey the rules. You are socialized to think its bad to not follow the rules. You are socialized into being cohesive with the group. I mean there is more to this. Their society as a whole has decided this is an acceptable task for schools to undertake and participate in it actively. But it’s the machine that keeps it going. Also bullying is a feature not a bug, despite all modern attempts to squash it.
bitshiftfaced 4y ago
> Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is and the frontier mindset that comes with that. Is this a typo?
- netr0ute 4y ago
  What do you mean?
  - deleted 4y ago
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car_analogy 4y ago
> Importing immigrants en masse is likely to cause a lot of social instability and isn't a decision that should be taken lightly. Look at it as an experiment. See what happens if you allow mass immigration. If you don't like the result, do what you'd do with any other policy - change it. ...Although I guess you'd be stuck with the immigrants you already imported. And they'd probably vote to continue immigration, as they have in the US.. in that sense, this is one policy choice that is largely irreversible.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  > See what happens if you allow mass immigration. Sweden, Canada and others have already done that experiment.
  - TeaDrunk 4y ago
    Sweden, one of the best places to live? Hell yeah dude! Canada, also one of the best places to live? Also hell yeah dude!
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      What is the direction Sweden is going? Is it getting better with the immigration it is doing? Or are things starting to look worse on some indicators?
      - TeaDrunk 4y ago
        As far as I know it is, remains, and hasn't changed from being one of the top 5 countries to live on the planet.
    - Mikeb85 4y ago
      Canada, most expensive housing on earth and 20% GDP per Capita decline in the last decade... Sweden, constant riots and exponential increase in crime... Edit - Canada is an OK place to live, it's definitely become far worse in my lifetime though (mainly because of affordability). The plus side is tons of nature, if you're into that (I live in a mountain town but if I leave this town it's for Europe, not anywhere else in Canada).
hemreldop 4y ago
soheil 4y ago
> Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is This is xenophobic at best and borderline racist. The US govnt is fraught with disfunction not because people look different, but probably because it's a highly capitalistic society that limits the hands of government control over its citizens, which in turn cause the "poorly run" state that you're observing.
- random314 4y ago

kadomony 4y ago

I'm not talking about turning Japan into a bastion of liberty like the US with "give me your poor, your tired, your weak". I'm talking about skilled workers that are willing to assimilate. I haven't taught myself Japanese for nothing. I'm not going to go over there and turn it into Texas.

MLR 4y ago
As far as I'm aware Japanese immigration policy for skilled workers is relatively lenient, it's just not generally considered an attractive place to migrate to from places that generate a lot of migrants.
- kadomony 4y ago
  It's lenient for certain sectors--programming, engineering. Niche STEM stuff where English is expected as the uniting language. But for anything else, it can be very difficult to move there. But that leniency only comes into effect when you prove without question that it's near impossible to source local talent to fill a job, and the Japanese are extremely educated, so you're usually going to find companies will hire domestically before gambling on someone from the west who's used to superior salaries in USD. Even if you're the world's best, your salary will drop to about 1/2 or 1/3 of what you can make in the US.

watwut 4y ago

In what way is Japan less cutthroat?

kadomony 4y ago
Well, you don't see too many homeless people or citizens failing to receive medical treatment or retraining if they fall on hard times. It's a compassionate society when it comes to care. I'm sure it's cutthroat in the business sense, but that's normal. The US is cutthroat in nearly every aspect where we should care for one another and prevent problems from existing--gun control, drug use, unemployment, basic housing, education (this is getting worse the more evangelicals influence it), etc.
- random314 4y ago
  > this is getting worse the more evangelicals influence it So, the problem is the homogeneous white rural population. Immigration is the ideal solution. They are the least susceptible to evangelicals.

jrochkind1 4y ago

I don't know if a "frontier mindset" comes from a hetereogenous population in general -- the very phrase "frontier" suggests to me it's more likely to come from our history where one kind of people had a "frontier" they were pushing out between them and people they were taking land from by force -- where one society of newcomers was entirely replacing/absorbing another pre-existing society, by force, not just hetereogenous people within a society. Obviously a pretty extreme conflict, that might result in lasting dynamics and mindsets, but the conflict wasn't really the inevitable effect of hetereogeniety alone -- and is of course a very different history than Japan's, and will remain so no matter their contemporary immigration policies.

asdff 4y ago

Plenty of other places in the world are homogeneous but aren't exactly well run either. Having a homogeneous culture isn't the secret sauce.

random314 4y ago
Don't ruin the pet argument of racists with logic.
quartesixte 4y ago
IMO, and IME, the secret sauce is their education curriculum. Japanese schoolteachers and the Japanese school curriculum spend a lot of time drilling correct social behavior in the classroom. You are socialized to obey the rules. You are socialized to think its bad to not follow the rules. You are socialized into being cohesive with the group. I mean there is more to this. Their society as a whole has decided this is an acceptable task for schools to undertake and participate in it actively. But it’s the machine that keeps it going. Also bullying is a feature not a bug, despite all modern attempts to squash it.

bitshiftfaced 4y ago

> Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is and the frontier mindset that comes with that. Is this a typo?

netr0ute 4y ago
What do you mean?
- deleted 4y ago
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car_analogy 4y ago

> Importing immigrants en masse is likely to cause a lot of social instability and isn't a decision that should be taken lightly. Look at it as an experiment. See what happens if you allow mass immigration. If you don't like the result, do what you'd do with any other policy - change it. ...Although I guess you'd be stuck with the immigrants you already imported. And they'd probably vote to continue immigration, as they have in the US.. in that sense, this is one policy choice that is largely irreversible.

Mikeb85 4y ago
> See what happens if you allow mass immigration. Sweden, Canada and others have already done that experiment.
- TeaDrunk 4y ago
  Sweden, one of the best places to live? Hell yeah dude! Canada, also one of the best places to live? Also hell yeah dude!
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    What is the direction Sweden is going? Is it getting better with the immigration it is doing? Or are things starting to look worse on some indicators?
    - TeaDrunk 4y ago
      As far as I know it is, remains, and hasn't changed from being one of the top 5 countries to live on the planet.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    Canada, most expensive housing on earth and 20% GDP per Capita decline in the last decade... Sweden, constant riots and exponential increase in crime... Edit - Canada is an OK place to live, it's definitely become far worse in my lifetime though (mainly because of affordability). The plus side is tons of nature, if you're into that (I live in a mountain town but if I leave this town it's for Europe, not anywhere else in Canada).

hemreldop 4y ago

soheil 4y ago

> Part of the reason the USA is cutthroat and poorly run is because of how heterogeneous the population is This is xenophobic at best and borderline racist. The US govnt is fraught with disfunction not because people look different, but probably because it's a highly capitalistic society that limits the hands of government control over its citizens, which in turn cause the "poorly run" state that you're observing.

random314 4y ago