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Replace drugs with surgery in this train of thought and you will notice that it does in fact make sense. This is not a war on the poor, psychedelic medicine re

by hey2022 4y ago

Replace drugs with surgery in this train of thought and you will notice that it does in fact make sense. This is not a war on the poor, psychedelic medicine requires care when administered.

sidewndr46 4y ago
The US government literally calls it the "War on Drugs". Given that it is notoriously difficult to maim, jail, or prosecute a chemical we can be assured it is actually a war on people. Having been through the system once myself, I can assure you that it is incredibly oppressive to poor people who cannot afford legal representation. I'm all for someone deciding they need drugs to function. It doesn't matter to me how you live your life. If you do it with a doctor, fine. If you want to figure it out on your own because you don't have access to medical care, that does not make that person a criminal. There are plenty of people self medicating with nicotine & alcohol every day, no one says it is necessary to lock them up. The only difference I see is it is a handy source of tax revenue and somehow "socially acceptable".
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  The person you're arguing with was simply saying "throwing psychedelics at the car window at homeless people won't make them better". They didn't say "lock up the homeless for using mushrooms", he didn't say "homeless people don't deserve treatment". They were calling out the simplistic nature of the OP comment, and asserting that proper use of psychedelics for medical treatment involves a safe, controlled environment. Nothing they said or were asserting had to do with US drug policy.
- achenet 4y ago
  Thank you for further explaining your point of view. I think also that the US's healthcare is partially to blame - if you had universal healthcare, then poor people would also (in theory) have equal access to drug prescriptions. I do think that, generally speaking, many drugs are best done under medical supervision. I have a friend of my brothers who died of a heroin overdose, her first time trying the drug. I tell myself that if we lived in a world where foolish college kids have to go to a pharmacy and get their hits administered by a registered pharmacist, maybe she'd still be alive. I also generally agree that the War on Drugs is bullshit. It didn't work for alcohol during prohibition, and it's not working now. The smart move is legalize, tax and regulate.
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  I'm the guy you're railing against, and if it helps, I agree with everything you just said. Also, I'm sorry that you've been through the system. The system sucks in so many ways. But it sounds like it's (at least somewhat) in your past, and I'm happy for that. I hope you are in a good place now, or at least a better place.

Replace drugs with surgery in this train of thought and you will notice that it does in fact make sense. This is not a war on the poor, psychedelic medicine requires care when administered.

sidewndr46 4y ago

The US government literally calls it the "War on Drugs". Given that it is notoriously difficult to maim, jail, or prosecute a chemical we can be assured it is actually a war on people. Having been through the system once myself, I can assure you that it is incredibly oppressive to poor people who cannot afford legal representation. I'm all for someone deciding they need drugs to function. It doesn't matter to me how you live your life. If you do it with a doctor, fine. If you want to figure it out on your own because you don't have access to medical care, that does not make that person a criminal. There are plenty of people self medicating with nicotine & alcohol every day, no one says it is necessary to lock them up. The only difference I see is it is a handy source of tax revenue and somehow "socially acceptable".

unethical_ban 4y ago
The person you're arguing with was simply saying "throwing psychedelics at the car window at homeless people won't make them better". They didn't say "lock up the homeless for using mushrooms", he didn't say "homeless people don't deserve treatment". They were calling out the simplistic nature of the OP comment, and asserting that proper use of psychedelics for medical treatment involves a safe, controlled environment. Nothing they said or were asserting had to do with US drug policy.
achenet 4y ago
Thank you for further explaining your point of view. I think also that the US's healthcare is partially to blame - if you had universal healthcare, then poor people would also (in theory) have equal access to drug prescriptions. I do think that, generally speaking, many drugs are best done under medical supervision. I have a friend of my brothers who died of a heroin overdose, her first time trying the drug. I tell myself that if we lived in a world where foolish college kids have to go to a pharmacy and get their hits administered by a registered pharmacist, maybe she'd still be alive. I also generally agree that the War on Drugs is bullshit. It didn't work for alcohol during prohibition, and it's not working now. The smart move is legalize, tax and regulate.
JohnBooty 4y ago
I'm the guy you're railing against, and if it helps, I agree with everything you just said. Also, I'm sorry that you've been through the system. The system sucks in so many ways. But it sounds like it's (at least somewhat) in your past, and I'm happy for that. I hope you are in a good place now, or at least a better place.