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That would depend on their opinion. They way I see it, there are two option: - this person seriously believes the thing they said, which I find outrageous - t

by oblak 4y ago

That would depend on their opinion. They way I see it, there are two option: - this person seriously believes the thing they said, which I find outrageous - they lied which is just as bad By all means, feel free celebrate your victory by throwing shit away and drive a 5 ton car. That will show people like me

hedora 4y ago
Option 3: You are obviously wrong. Take a tally of all the pollution you create in a week, and you'll probably find that plastic waste from the kitchen is rounding error. Be sure to include stuff like heating and cooling, transport, clothing, and any other purchaes you make. (99% of the stuff we buy will eventually be garbage, after all.)
- bscphil 4y ago
  "Obviously" goes way too far here, even if you are including greenhouse gasses in the tally, which aren't pollution by traditional standards. My apartment's electricity and the public transportation I use to get around are powered by renewable energy sources that don't create pollution. In the average week (or month) 95% of the plastic waste I create is from inefficiently packaged foods, which definitely counts as "kitchen" plastic waste. Probably 99% of the plastic I've purchased in the last 2 years is for kitchen items. I don't think my situation is particularly unusual.
  - hedora 4y ago
    What about clothes, bedding, consumables, etc? Don't forget the stuff thrown away while producing that stuff. Also, you should figure in depreciation on things like the apartment itself, vehicles, and transportation of the stuff you buy. 100% renewable energy is great, if true where you are. Most places still use natural gas peaker plants, at least. Consuming electricity during the day is cleaner than at peak, but even if you're producing your own energy (or your utility is 100% greenhouse free, regionally), the electricity you use could have displaced dirty production elsewhere on the grid. (Also, even solar and wind produce pollution -- they have embodied carbon and finite lifespans). I'm not arguing against reducing household plastic waste, but the idea that you see most of the pollution that's created by stuff you consume is optimistic. Anyway, according to the EPA, US municipal solid waste is 12.2% plastic (excluding construction waste, sewage sludge, etc). The US is likely higher than most places: https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/national-overview-facts-and-figures-materials https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-...
- oblak 4y ago
  Apparently you buy a lot more stuff than I do. I am painfully aware of the amount of perfectly good bottles and plastic containers I throw in the "recycle" bins every other week. Couple of half full reusable bags. Still less than what many people I know contribute in a day but who's judging. Electricity is a big one, though. And water, too.

by oblak 4y ago

hedora 4y ago

Option 3: You are obviously wrong. Take a tally of all the pollution you create in a week, and you'll probably find that plastic waste from the kitchen is rounding error. Be sure to include stuff like heating and cooling, transport, clothing, and any other purchaes you make. (99% of the stuff we buy will eventually be garbage, after all.)

bscphil 4y ago
"Obviously" goes way too far here, even if you are including greenhouse gasses in the tally, which aren't pollution by traditional standards. My apartment's electricity and the public transportation I use to get around are powered by renewable energy sources that don't create pollution. In the average week (or month) 95% of the plastic waste I create is from inefficiently packaged foods, which definitely counts as "kitchen" plastic waste. Probably 99% of the plastic I've purchased in the last 2 years is for kitchen items. I don't think my situation is particularly unusual.
- hedora 4y ago
  What about clothes, bedding, consumables, etc? Don't forget the stuff thrown away while producing that stuff. Also, you should figure in depreciation on things like the apartment itself, vehicles, and transportation of the stuff you buy. 100% renewable energy is great, if true where you are. Most places still use natural gas peaker plants, at least. Consuming electricity during the day is cleaner than at peak, but even if you're producing your own energy (or your utility is 100% greenhouse free, regionally), the electricity you use could have displaced dirty production elsewhere on the grid. (Also, even solar and wind produce pollution -- they have embodied carbon and finite lifespans). I'm not arguing against reducing household plastic waste, but the idea that you see most of the pollution that's created by stuff you consume is optimistic. Anyway, according to the EPA, US municipal solid waste is 12.2% plastic (excluding construction waste, sewage sludge, etc). The US is likely higher than most places: https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/national-overview-facts-and-figures-materials https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-...
oblak 4y ago
Apparently you buy a lot more stuff than I do. I am painfully aware of the amount of perfectly good bottles and plastic containers I throw in the "recycle" bins every other week. Couple of half full reusable bags. Still less than what many people I know contribute in a day but who's judging. Electricity is a big one, though. And water, too.