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I am a carnivore and unashamed by it, due to the two factors: - In nature getting eaten (and hence killed) is part of life - Humans are in my opinion mainly c

I am a carnivore and unashamed by it, due to the two factors: - In nature getting eaten (and hence killed) is part of life - Humans are in my opinion mainly carnivorous (basically because we have a handful of needed animal amino acids that we cannot synthesize ourselves and that our intestines composition is much, much closer to carnivores "averages" than vegetarian "averages") I do buy grass fed cows and pig whenever I can (I don't really eat any poultry), even at far greater cost. Farmed animals on grass from a caring farmer does not suffer much. Maybe half an hour of elevated stress (due to transport to the slaughter house) and a swift death (bolt pistol usually). I am very skeptical on the "plant based meats" idea. Most of them thinks that the idea is to make something that tastes and has the same texture than real meat. But I think, that is plainly wrong. Meat is an essential source of animal fat with amino acids, that (due to being fauna) cannot come from the plant kingdom (flora). Also biology is much, much more complex than "we need to make it taste like meat", both ours and the animals we eat. So I basically see no way of the plant based "meats" ever (in my life time) succeeding in getting as good food source as the real stuff designed by millions of years of evolution..

giantg2 4y ago
"Also biology is much, much more complex than "we need to make it taste like meat", both ours and the animals we eat." I think this is a big part. I feel like throughout history we think we know more than we actually do.
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spacexsucks 4y ago
Humans can live perfectly fine on vegetarian diets. Even grow "strong" as you define it. Please go read something real
- m0llusk 4y ago
  Humans can also make themselves sick on both carnivore and plant based diets. We are still just beginning to understand the complexity of how diet relates to health.
- smokey_circles 4y ago
  This is a great example of Chesterton's fence. Predators keep population numbers low. Which prevents overgrazing, which protects the environment, which ensures herbivores can survive. The Yellowstone park's reintroduction of wolves is a pretty good example of it. It's really just arrogance to assume we need to or should interfere with nature, but I appreciate the good intentions and don't mean that in a negative manner.
  - smokey_circles 4y ago
    well my app sucks and this should have been a top level reply. My bad
seanwilson 4y ago
Which amino acids? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid "The amino acid distribution profile is less optimal in plant foods than in animal foods.[12][13] but it is not necessary to consume plant foods containing complete proteins as long as a reasonably varied diet is maintained.[14] Numerous pairs of different plant foods can provide a complete protein profile. Certain traditional combinations of foods, such as corn and beans, or beans and rice, contain the essential amino acids necessary for humans in adequate amounts.[15] The official position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is that protein from an appropriate planned combination of a variety of plant foods eaten during the course of a day can be nutritionally adequate when caloric requirements are met.[14]" > So I basically see no way of the plant based "meats" ever (in my life time) succeeding in getting as good food source as the real stuff designed by millions of years of evolution.. Why is the takeaway not just that humans have evolved to be healthy on a huge variety of diets?

giantg2 4y ago

"Also biology is much, much more complex than "we need to make it taste like meat", both ours and the animals we eat." I think this is a big part. I feel like throughout history we think we know more than we actually do.

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spacexsucks 4y ago

Humans can live perfectly fine on vegetarian diets. Even grow "strong" as you define it. Please go read something real

m0llusk 4y ago
Humans can also make themselves sick on both carnivore and plant based diets. We are still just beginning to understand the complexity of how diet relates to health.
smokey_circles 4y ago
This is a great example of Chesterton's fence. Predators keep population numbers low. Which prevents overgrazing, which protects the environment, which ensures herbivores can survive. The Yellowstone park's reintroduction of wolves is a pretty good example of it. It's really just arrogance to assume we need to or should interfere with nature, but I appreciate the good intentions and don't mean that in a negative manner.
- smokey_circles 4y ago
  well my app sucks and this should have been a top level reply. My bad

seanwilson 4y ago

Which amino acids? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid "The amino acid distribution profile is less optimal in plant foods than in animal foods.[12][13] but it is not necessary to consume plant foods containing complete proteins as long as a reasonably varied diet is maintained.[14] Numerous pairs of different plant foods can provide a complete protein profile. Certain traditional combinations of foods, such as corn and beans, or beans and rice, contain the essential amino acids necessary for humans in adequate amounts.[15] The official position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is that protein from an appropriate planned combination of a variety of plant foods eaten during the course of a day can be nutritionally adequate when caloric requirements are met.[14]" > So I basically see no way of the plant based "meats" ever (in my life time) succeeding in getting as good food source as the real stuff designed by millions of years of evolution.. Why is the takeaway not just that humans have evolved to be healthy on a huge variety of diets?