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> The fact that almost all websites use cookie banners kinda disproves your theory. Really not true. And it gets better for every year. Analytics and advertis

by tjoff 4y ago

> The fact that almost all websites use cookie banners kinda disproves your theory. Really not true. And it gets better for every year. Analytics and advertising does not need tracking. > I understand that your argument will be "so close down those websites". But how about you do not visit them instead? I try to avoid. I'm not perfect, sometimes I can't be bothered. Cookie-banners helps me decide which sites not to visit and is a constant reminder of what crappy companies still rely on them. It is a feature. And it is pretty damning to see which developers ruins their UX for this. Here is the thing, this has run unchecked for far too long and it takes time to change. Just look in this thread (or any other cookie-related thread on this site or on any site on the internet). People that are supposed to know still are confused and have absolute no idea that cookie-banners is an active choice for site operators. They have/had no incentive to care. Now they do, but they are so deep in denial that it will take years and years for them to even realize that the "cookie-law" was never about cookies or that these banners are an active choice. The default is tracking, for no real reason. Sites that earn on the order of cents absolutely wreak havoc on the internet just because developers are clueless. But the best part is that it gets better for every year. Really, it is so slow so you barely notice but if you you'd take a snapshot today and one from a year ago the difference is stark. Only last month google of all places (because of fines, obviously) changed the youtube banner so that rejecting is the same number of clicks as acceptance. Previously rejecting took five clicks (or was it six?) and some scrolling to be able to perform all those clicks.

Dudeman112 4y ago
>Analytics does not need tracking. I want to know if people who consumed X bit of the website also consumed Y. If those are correlated, it's a good idea to give Y-like content to people who like X-like content. If they aren't correlated, it's a huge waste of everyone's time and money. How do you do that without tracking?
- musicale 4y ago
  How about we don't try to "feed" people more garbage and just make a web site that is well-organized so that people can choose for themselves?
  - Dudeman112 4y ago
    You're taking this as if every business is a huge faceless corporation. If my employer pushed out garbage there's gonna be a real hit to our reputation (we work in a deeply technical sector - the backlash would really hurt the long term profitability). The website itself is well organized. There's good reason to believe that people who want some X info will also be interested into Y info (due to legislation or standards set by the industry or simply because there are domain specific trends). There really is a mutual interest in knowing these correlations. That way some segments won't be pushed useless stuff that they aren't likely to be interested in. They said we wouldn't need tracking. How would we get those info without tracking? No, we are not selling that data to anyone and it could be anonymous for all we care (IMO this is more an issue with the http protocol than anything else, but good luck changing that)

by tjoff 4y ago

Dudeman112 4y ago

>Analytics does not need tracking. I want to know if people who consumed X bit of the website also consumed Y. If those are correlated, it's a good idea to give Y-like content to people who like X-like content. If they aren't correlated, it's a huge waste of everyone's time and money. How do you do that without tracking?

musicale 4y ago
How about we don't try to "feed" people more garbage and just make a web site that is well-organized so that people can choose for themselves?
- Dudeman112 4y ago
  You're taking this as if every business is a huge faceless corporation. If my employer pushed out garbage there's gonna be a real hit to our reputation (we work in a deeply technical sector - the backlash would really hurt the long term profitability). The website itself is well organized. There's good reason to believe that people who want some X info will also be interested into Y info (due to legislation or standards set by the industry or simply because there are domain specific trends). There really is a mutual interest in knowing these correlations. That way some segments won't be pushed useless stuff that they aren't likely to be interested in. They said we wouldn't need tracking. How would we get those info without tracking? No, we are not selling that data to anyone and it could be anonymous for all we care (IMO this is more an issue with the http protocol than anything else, but good luck changing that)