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The non-geofenced level 2 system that Mercedes also has, can of course do lane changes and is definitely on par with Tesla's autopilot. This is about their leve

The non-geofenced level 2 system that Mercedes also has, can of course do lane changes and is definitely on par with Tesla's autopilot. This is about their level 3 system, which is ahead of Tesla, both technically, and most importantly regulatory.

fastball 4y ago
How is this system ahead of Tesla? What features does it have that Autopilot does not? Obviously this is ahead in a regulatory sense, but that can very easily just be politics, not technical sophistication.
- henrikschroder 4y ago
  It's a level 3 system that allows you to relax and take your eyes off the road when it's active. Tesla only has a level 2 system where you have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice, and you can never take your eyes off the road.
  - fastball 4y ago
    You can definitely take your eyes of the road with Tesla's system as evidenced by the copious number of videos where people get out of their seat and leave their Tesla to keep driving.
    - henrikschroder 4y ago
      Yes, there are plenty of reckless people driving illegally in their Teslas. But if Tesla is ahead, why did they back down recently and add driver monitoring systems as required by level 2, instead of applying for a level 3 certification?
      - fastball 4y ago
        Maybe because the level system is stupid and doesn't reflect how people actually want to use their cars? i.e. They think they can skip L3 entirely and just go directly to L4, no point in having to get "certified" for one if you think you can get to the other soon. I put certified in quotes because AFAIK there is no straightforward process to "apply for a level 3 certification" in the US, where Tesla is based. You don't just pay some application fee, have your vehicle / software vetted, and now your car is allowed to drive itself in all 50 states. Whereas the OC is about Germany, where they have the Autonomous Driving Act that is actually explicit about certifying cars based on the standard levelling system (which again, is terrible).

fastball 4y ago

How is this system ahead of Tesla? What features does it have that Autopilot does not? Obviously this is ahead in a regulatory sense, but that can very easily just be politics, not technical sophistication.

henrikschroder 4y ago
It's a level 3 system that allows you to relax and take your eyes off the road when it's active. Tesla only has a level 2 system where you have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice, and you can never take your eyes off the road.
- fastball 4y ago
  You can definitely take your eyes of the road with Tesla's system as evidenced by the copious number of videos where people get out of their seat and leave their Tesla to keep driving.
  - henrikschroder 4y ago
    Yes, there are plenty of reckless people driving illegally in their Teslas. But if Tesla is ahead, why did they back down recently and add driver monitoring systems as required by level 2, instead of applying for a level 3 certification?
    - fastball 4y ago
      Maybe because the level system is stupid and doesn't reflect how people actually want to use their cars? i.e. They think they can skip L3 entirely and just go directly to L4, no point in having to get "certified" for one if you think you can get to the other soon. I put certified in quotes because AFAIK there is no straightforward process to "apply for a level 3 certification" in the US, where Tesla is based. You don't just pay some application fee, have your vehicle / software vetted, and now your car is allowed to drive itself in all 50 states. Whereas the OC is about Germany, where they have the Autonomous Driving Act that is actually explicit about certifying cars based on the standard levelling system (which again, is terrible).