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I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What they have failed to do, however, is to tackle the proble

I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What they have failed to do, however, is to tackle the problem of when and how much the user can actually trust their system. This leaves users to struggle to build their own mental models of the same ("Oh, it likes this road", "I don't trust it at high speeds", etc.) This is terrible UX. Mercedes seems to be stepping up to the plate to actually take a stab at this problem. Inevitably the answers to these questions are not super impressive compared to Tesla's 'hey, it might work in any situation, you never know' approach. But I suspect users will really like it, even though the underlying tech is likely far behind Tesla's.

qeternity 4y ago
> I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What info could you possibly have access to that would give you remotely enough confidence to assess this? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I doubt you have the info to claim this.
- Dave_Rosenthal 4y ago
  Reasonable. It's an 'I believe' claim based not an 'based on these facts' claim. But, I am more informed that most as I spent five years in the industry leading all algorithm/ML development for autonomous systems at Apple. (Who I am leaving out of this analysis BTW :)
  - qeternity 4y ago
    So what are you believing if it’s not based on facts? Also you surely can understand that your work on AS at Apple has no bearing on what Tesla is doing, correct? Am I missing something here?
    - pojzon 4y ago
      Self-driving car is not only radar and good model. Tesla has their own battery factories, own mines, own delivery chain, years of experience of actual real world traffic data from all around the world. You have to look at volume, Tesla soon will be producing millions of electric cars per year. They already won the market. It will take years for competition to catch up. If ppl want to gamble with their money and buy a car that never hit a real world traffic -> let them do it, but every other manufacturer is going to have to go through the same painful process as Tesla already did. Not even mentioning that no other company beside maybe Toyota has any real experience with electric cars.
      - qeternity 4y ago
        What on earth does level 5 autonomy have to do with EVs? Literally nothing above has any relation to autonomy.
        pojzon 4y ago
        It means that competition has ALOT of things to focus on to even be on pair. Tesla on the other hand has to only focus on one thing now.. And none of those companies reached lv5. So my bet would be on company that has the best focus.
    - Dave_Rosenthal 4y ago
      Working as an eng leader for five years in the industry gave me a considerable base of factual knowledge about the state of the industry even beyond my own company. I was just summing up my knowledge with an (I thought innocuous) 'I believe' statement. Sounds like you believe otherwise. That's cool with me, and I don't doubt you have good reasons way :)

qeternity 4y ago

> I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What info could you possibly have access to that would give you remotely enough confidence to assess this? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I doubt you have the info to claim this.

Dave_Rosenthal 4y ago
Reasonable. It's an 'I believe' claim based not an 'based on these facts' claim. But, I am more informed that most as I spent five years in the industry leading all algorithm/ML development for autonomous systems at Apple. (Who I am leaving out of this analysis BTW :)
- qeternity 4y ago
  So what are you believing if it’s not based on facts? Also you surely can understand that your work on AS at Apple has no bearing on what Tesla is doing, correct? Am I missing something here?
  - pojzon 4y ago
    Self-driving car is not only radar and good model. Tesla has their own battery factories, own mines, own delivery chain, years of experience of actual real world traffic data from all around the world. You have to look at volume, Tesla soon will be producing millions of electric cars per year. They already won the market. It will take years for competition to catch up. If ppl want to gamble with their money and buy a car that never hit a real world traffic -> let them do it, but every other manufacturer is going to have to go through the same painful process as Tesla already did. Not even mentioning that no other company beside maybe Toyota has any real experience with electric cars.
    - qeternity 4y ago
      What on earth does level 5 autonomy have to do with EVs? Literally nothing above has any relation to autonomy.
      - pojzon 4y ago
        It means that competition has ALOT of things to focus on to even be on pair. Tesla on the other hand has to only focus on one thing now.. And none of those companies reached lv5. So my bet would be on company that has the best focus.
  - Dave_Rosenthal 4y ago
    Working as an eng leader for five years in the industry gave me a considerable base of factual knowledge about the state of the industry even beyond my own company. I was just summing up my knowledge with an (I thought innocuous) 'I believe' statement. Sounds like you believe otherwise. That's cool with me, and I don't doubt you have good reasons way :)