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I think it's easier to pitch the health benefits of eating less animal gunk. I've noticed whenever I pig out on dairy I feel really really bad like 2 hours lat

I think it's easier to pitch the health benefits of eating less animal gunk. I've noticed whenever I pig out on dairy I feel really really bad like 2 hours later. It's at a point where I try to avoid most milk, pizza is temping though. Historically meat was way to expensive to consume 3 or 4 times a day. You can see the health effects in real time, countries get "richer", fatter and sicker. Theirs a strong biological impluse to eat stuffed crust Pizza with chocolate on top. For most of human history this would of ether been absurdly expensive or impossible. So yea it tastes good. I really do wish we talked more about diet. Bad diets are behind most health issues, and I'd imagine this includes mental health as well. You feel like crap after eating chemically enhanced chicken, then you eat more chemicals. Your body, in a violent rebellion refuses to act right. Once I had the self control to go vegan for a week. It felt like the first time I had Red Bull.

acchow 5y ago
> Theirs a strong biological impluse to eat stuffed crust Pizza Can you explain how this impulse works? Absurdly expensive is not a biological reason. Side note: I personally do not experience this. This sounds awful to me.
- kevincox 5y ago
  The biological impulse is basically "eat as much as you can". This worked well in the past because it was hard to eat too much due to the expense/scarcity. Now that high-energy foods are very accessible this impluse is less helpful.
  - rightbyte 5y ago
    Even my toddler has no such impulse. He eats till he got enough and then starts throwing food on the floor. Eating through your savings was detrimental even for hunter gatherers.
gruez 5y ago
>I've noticed whenever I pig out on dairy I feel really really bad like 2 hours later. >It's at a point where I try to avoid most milk, pizza is temping though. sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance to me rather than "less animal gunk". > I think it's easier to pitch the health benefits of eating less animal gunk. > So yea it tastes good. And how well have public health campaigns that told people "stop eating delicious things because they're unhealthy" fared?
- riedel 5y ago
  > And how well have public health campaigns that told people "stop eating delicious things because they're unhealthy" fared? I did not work with me for a long time of my life. My experience was that it was enough to consciously only eat meat one or two times a week and make myself aware of the supply chain effects (after reading an entertaining book about a self experiment of going all the way to fructarian) After a few weeks I both did not crave for meat anymore, actually realized the low quality of a lot of it as my taste shifted, and I realized how difficult it was caring about the origin of food. Me and my now wife became vegetarian actually for the convenience of not having to care that much anymore and because of the many disappointments in taste. Actually I cannot get all away from good cheese and milk. Seemingly I too much enjoy the taste and it is convenient to at least get an organic produce in the average super market. Edit: waht i forgot to mention. After more than 10 years of rather unhealthy vegetarian diet and unhealthy lifestyle with not enough sports, I got a full checkup at the doctor's lat year. To my surprise all my values seem really good. While I think this is to some extent due to the fact that thresholds were determined for average meat eaters and there is no strong causality between those values and health, I take it as a nice side effect.
Aromasin 5y ago
It's a shame that heavy government intervention has made meat markedly cheaper than it has any right to be. It's unlikely we'd even be having the conversation about reducing meat consumption if it wasn't artificially priced. It would still be inordinately expensive if subsidies to cattle farmers weren't so damn high. In 2018, dairy farmers in the UK received about £3.5b in annual subsidy. Hell, most farmers here used to get 90% of their income from EU subsidies (https://www.ft.com/content/db2a28e2-c175-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a https://www.ft.com/content/db2a28e2-c175-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b...), which is ironic considering that the class majority of them voted for Brexit.
- 999900000999 5y ago
  Thank you , animal products are artificially cheap. If say meat was a weekly thing most of us would be in way better shape.
  - horns4lyfe 5y ago
    There are plenty of very fit people that eat meat every day. Conversely, I’ve met some very fit vegans, and some really unhealthy vegans.
orangepurple 5y ago
Cow milk is unhealthy because it is loaded with pathogenic exosomal micro RNAs which are biologically active in humans. Fermentation and UHT eliminate the micro RNAs. Many people drink neither fermented dairy nor UHT milk.
- gruez 5y ago
  Source for all of these claims?
  - orangepurple 5y ago
    You can begin your journey down the rabbit hole with publications by Bodo Melnik over the last ten+ years https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bodo-Melnik https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bodo-Melnik Here's a good open access paper to start your journey: Exosomes of pasteurized milk: potential pathogens of Western diseases https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330115721_Exosomes_of_pasteurized_milk_potential_pathogens_of_Western_diseases https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330115721_Exosomes_...

acchow 5y ago

> Theirs a strong biological impluse to eat stuffed crust Pizza Can you explain how this impulse works? Absurdly expensive is not a biological reason. Side note: I personally do not experience this. This sounds awful to me.

kevincox 5y ago
The biological impulse is basically "eat as much as you can". This worked well in the past because it was hard to eat too much due to the expense/scarcity. Now that high-energy foods are very accessible this impluse is less helpful.
- rightbyte 5y ago
  Even my toddler has no such impulse. He eats till he got enough and then starts throwing food on the floor. Eating through your savings was detrimental even for hunter gatherers.

gruez 5y ago

>I've noticed whenever I pig out on dairy I feel really really bad like 2 hours later. >It's at a point where I try to avoid most milk, pizza is temping though. sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance to me rather than "less animal gunk". > I think it's easier to pitch the health benefits of eating less animal gunk. > So yea it tastes good. And how well have public health campaigns that told people "stop eating delicious things because they're unhealthy" fared?

riedel 5y ago
> And how well have public health campaigns that told people "stop eating delicious things because they're unhealthy" fared? I did not work with me for a long time of my life. My experience was that it was enough to consciously only eat meat one or two times a week and make myself aware of the supply chain effects (after reading an entertaining book about a self experiment of going all the way to fructarian) After a few weeks I both did not crave for meat anymore, actually realized the low quality of a lot of it as my taste shifted, and I realized how difficult it was caring about the origin of food. Me and my now wife became vegetarian actually for the convenience of not having to care that much anymore and because of the many disappointments in taste. Actually I cannot get all away from good cheese and milk. Seemingly I too much enjoy the taste and it is convenient to at least get an organic produce in the average super market. Edit: waht i forgot to mention. After more than 10 years of rather unhealthy vegetarian diet and unhealthy lifestyle with not enough sports, I got a full checkup at the doctor's lat year. To my surprise all my values seem really good. While I think this is to some extent due to the fact that thresholds were determined for average meat eaters and there is no strong causality between those values and health, I take it as a nice side effect.

Aromasin 5y ago

It's a shame that heavy government intervention has made meat markedly cheaper than it has any right to be. It's unlikely we'd even be having the conversation about reducing meat consumption if it wasn't artificially priced. It would still be inordinately expensive if subsidies to cattle farmers weren't so damn high. In 2018, dairy farmers in the UK received about £3.5b in annual subsidy. Hell, most farmers here used to get 90% of their income from EU subsidies (https://www.ft.com/content/db2a28e2-c175-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a https://www.ft.com/content/db2a28e2-c175-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b...), which is ironic considering that the class majority of them voted for Brexit.

999900000999 5y ago
Thank you , animal products are artificially cheap. If say meat was a weekly thing most of us would be in way better shape.
- horns4lyfe 5y ago
  There are plenty of very fit people that eat meat every day. Conversely, I’ve met some very fit vegans, and some really unhealthy vegans.

orangepurple 5y ago

Cow milk is unhealthy because it is loaded with pathogenic exosomal micro RNAs which are biologically active in humans. Fermentation and UHT eliminate the micro RNAs. Many people drink neither fermented dairy nor UHT milk.

gruez 5y ago
Source for all of these claims?
- orangepurple 5y ago
  You can begin your journey down the rabbit hole with publications by Bodo Melnik over the last ten+ years https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bodo-Melnik https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bodo-Melnik Here's a good open access paper to start your journey: Exosomes of pasteurized milk: potential pathogens of Western diseases https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330115721_Exosomes_of_pasteurized_milk_potential_pathogens_of_Western_diseases https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330115721_Exosomes_...