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UK telecom EE blocks archive.org
- kzrdude 4y agoEU blocked rt.com. I'm no fan of russian aggresssion, yet don't want my internet access censored.
- baisq 4y ago
- lostmsu 4y agoCan you share more info on that? I only saw reports of their broadcast permissions revoked, not the website.
- kzrdude 4y agoISPs have been mandated to block Russia state media. For me the site is unreachable. One swedish ISP refuses to comply due to them being anti-censorship activists. https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/02/eu-rt-sputnik-ban-live/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/02/eu-rt-sputnik-ban-live/ I wish there was more reporting on this.
- kzrdude 4y ago(Swedish state financed media story here. No paywall, hence they are nice to link to. :) https://sverigesradio-se.translate.goog/artikel/regeringen-star-bakom-eus-censurbeslut-om-rt?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://sverigesradio-se.translate.goog/artikel/regeringen-s...
- evandale 4y ago“In this time of war, words matter. We are witnessing massive propaganda and disinformation over this outrageous attack on a free and independent country. We will not let Kremlin apologists pour their toxic lies justifying Putin’s war or sow the seeds of division in our Union.” It seems like war is always the excuse used to restrict our freedoms.
- evandale 4y agoThat's really messed up. Is this bye-bye to net neutrality?
- kzrdude 4y agoSeems like it. I'm not even sure what the legal situation is. I hope Bahnhof (swedish ISP) challenges it in court.
- bendbro 4y agoOi! You got a loicense for that internet?
- ronsor 4y agoAt this point, overlay networks like Tor, yggdrasil, and CJDNS need to be normalized and preinstalled on every smartphone and PC.
- hda2 4y agoI believe Brave uses Tor for their incognito mode on desktops so we're already seeing some advancements on that front. Unfortunately, brave are still unable to provide tor for their users on android. For overlay networks to be normalized, popular browser makers have to include them in their mobile versions. For better or worse, android and ios are what most normal people use these days.
- mrtksn 4y agoI’m just sad to watch the world following Turkey’s steps on Internet control. These ISP level “security filters” have been a thing in Turkey since 2011. They are optional but they always try to trick people into enabling them. There’s even safe internet day(5th February), they send you an SMS with a link to instantly enable filters to celebrate internet safety day. What I find weird though, not all sites are blocked equally. Some are on DNS level and simply using something like Google DNS removes the blocking, others are blocked on IP level and only VPN can help. There’s no consistency between the ISP on site blocking methods.
- baisq 4y agoI’m sure these services exist in every country. I don’t see the problem if they’re opt-in.
- jhgb 4y agoI'm not aware of any such services in the Czech Republic, for example, opt-in or not.
- Tijdreiziger 4y agoNeither in the Netherlands. Some piracy websites (e.g. The Pirate Bay) are blocked by court order (with no opt-out), but definitely not archive.org.
- buscoquadnary 4y agoIt's a concern for me when they no longer become opt-in to prevent dangerous things like "misinformation" and "terrorism" and most importantly copyrighted material.
- mrtksn 4y agoThis one is optional. Thousand of pages are blocked with court orders and hundreds of thousands are blocked categorically(porn, copyrights etc). PayPal, Booking.com and many more are illegal due to data protection or business guild reasons. Netflix, Prime Video, radios, podcasts etc are subjected to censorship by TV&Radio broadcasting regulator and are required to register for a license. Social media with user base over certain number are required to be licensed. The world mostly caught up but there’s still some way to go.
- IanCal 4y agoThis is not really new. Iirc the requirement agreed with the government was that users would have an active choice for filtering or not, which I think is required for mobile connections. This is an age gated thing essentially, and can be removed at the request of the user (or never added). Age rated things require some ID I think. That archive.org, a place to archive essentially any content , gets flagged as potentially 18+ or some other content warning is not really surprising.
- wumpus 4y agoWhen I was a child, I was allowed to go into the adult library. In a conservative, Southern US state. It's a shame to see the UK being more right wing than the most conservative parts of the US.
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- mastazi 4y agoI'm not quite sure that something that is on by default for everyone can be described as parental control, unless in the context of a nanny-state metaphor?
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- mattwad 4y agoI don't think they are burning books
- wumpus 4y agoCensorship is more complicated than "people who burn books" and "people who do not burn books".
- FollowingTheDao 4y agoIt is getting real folks. Time for all you techies to do something. You all hold the power. Use it. I am doing my part, by telling everyone I can to boycott everything on the internet. See you all.
- adhesive_wombat 4y agoTo be clear, this is an adult content block, not a copyright thing. "Even" Reddit (which, to be fair, does include actual porn) is blocked on at least some networks unless you unlock the account.
- StireFarter 4y agoReddit achieves much the same effect by constantly insisting that I install the app (I never will).
- aendruk 4y agoYep, in the last few days it’s become fully unusable. Niche forums are now walled with: > Unreviewed Content — This community has not been reviewed and might contain content inappropriate for certain viewers. View in the Reddit app to continue. My ISP doesn’t block Reddit, but Reddit has effectively blocked me.
- hda2 4y agoEnabling desktop mode usually fixes this for me. I think changing the domain to old.reddit.com also works. But yeah, reddit is really shooting itself in the foot with this nonsense.
- ______-_-______ 4y agoThere's also nudity on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Wikipedia. Better block them too.
- monocasa 4y agoSome of these ISPs do block Reddit at least.
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- toby- 4y agoThe title sounds rather alarming. In reality, this is one mobile ISP blocking archive.org as part of its parental controls. I can't help but wonder if this is the author's first exposure to ISPs' content blocking? Still, I'm curious as to the logic (if any) behind targeting archive.org - is it because it allows filters to be bypassed, or was it in error? Or something else?
- mastazi 4y agoIt is enabled by default, so it's a big deal in my opinion. Edit: also, "parental control" is not really a good description for something that is active by default for anyone regardless of their age. It is quite literally a case of "nanny ISP".
- dlivingston 4y agoLooking into this a bit more, this seems like a classic case of “much ado about nothing.” The situation as I understand it: 1. A UK telecom company, EE, has an optional (!!) parental control feature, which blocks websites based on a user-selected threshold [0] 2. Archive.org was added to this block-list. This makes sense at first glance: as an exercise to the reader, go to archive.org and type in the URL of your favorite porn website. 3. This is all user-controllable and is disabled by default. Yeah, assuming I have my facts right, this seems like a big, fat, nothing burger. Please correct me if I’ve misanalysed. [0] : https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/safety-and-security/content-lock/switching-content-lock-on-or-off https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/safety-and-security/content-l...
- kiwijamo 4y agoIt's enabled by default on my EE SIM.
- callamdelaney 4y agoKids just shouldn't have phones with data plans.
- stavros 4y agoWhy not?
- JasonFruit 4y agoFor the same reason they shouldn't have firearms. People shouldn't let their kids be unsupervised with even a very useful item where the risk is high and they haven't yet developed the self-control to use it wisely. Eventually you have to let go, but that transition time is critical.
- callamdelaney 4y agoJason is correct. Techonology outpaces parents ability to police it in the majority of cases.
- Sevan777 4y agoarchive.org is still blocked by 2 mobile telcos https://www.blocked.org.uk/site/http://archive.org https://www.blocked.org.uk/site/http://archive.org It was blocked by more around 2019, including by Three. Had to do the same dance to get restrictions lifted so that I could visit a library, then the rep offered me a special deal on increasing my monthly data transfer quota "for streaming videos". Despite an "unrestricted" account, I still cannot connect to tor bridges and telegram (according to OONI tests https://ooni.org/ https://ooni.org/)
- gerdesj 4y agoarchive.org blocked by EE yawn EE is a mobile operator and not very important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to decisions about morality. They obviously also have dropped the ball - silly ISP.
- wumpus 4y agoIf only 1% of citizens are denied their fundamental rights, is that not very important?
- matthewmacleod 4y agoThis specific sort of filter has been in place in the UK since 2004. It's part of the "Mobile Broadband Group"'s code of practice – the joint industry association representing the large UK mobile networks. The principle in general was that mobile broadband operators would enable an "adult content filter" by default on their products, with the ability for users to disable it on providing proof of age. I think it's basically a DNS block, though the implementation might vary between operators. If I remember the details right, I'm pretty sure this was a compromise solution – basically one of those situations where the industry generally agrees to self-regulate in exchange for avoiding more formal state regulation on their services. It's a bit silly generally, particularly when stuff like archive.org gets added to the list when it really shouldn't be.
- nomilk 4y agoAlthough I use wayback machine infrequently (1-2 times per week), I hold it's one of the most important websites in existence - up there with wikipedia - it's the digital equivalent of a famous museum. I do wish there was a wayback machine for youtube videos, because of all the now dead links in my technical and personal notes. I suspect the cost of hosting video is too high.
- ineedasername 4y agoI wish they had a more robust mirroring system. Along with some type of peer-to-peer hosting/resource-sharing, sort of like a folding@home setup.