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Just let me stop you right there as I reiterate what Apple App Store has to say about HalloApp and its privacy: Data Linked to You The following data, whi

Just let me stop you right there as I reiterate what Apple App Store has to say about HalloApp and its privacy: Data Linked to You The following data, which may be collected and linked to your identity, may be used for the following purposes: * Contact Info Phone number (your most prized privacy info). This is a FULL-STOP right there in these days and ages. * Contacts Contacts (your entire address book, who would want to pull down the proverbial pants and leave their derrière exposed and tangle with the wind?) * Identifiers User ID (probably your Apple ID, after sufficient reverse mapping). * Diagnostic Crash data, not hard to get even more relational mapping from this. ############# # Signal Compare that to SignalApp: * Contact Info That is entire optional and can be left blank within the Settings->Contacts->My Card of which that should always be blank. Nothing to see there, move along.

lelandfe 5y ago
> We use your phone number to connect you with friends and family. Beyond that, we never collect, store or use any personal information and never show you ads. Never. For real. From their homepage. Contact Info and Contacts sharing are inherent to this app, it seems. It's worth noting that "beyond that, we never collect [more personal information]" is pretty clearly incorrect, since they do at least also collect contacts. Their Privacy Policy[0] also does not inspire confidence: > We may share personal data we get with service providers who help us provide our Services We're not selling your data, we're sharing it. Which service providers? What are their policies around my data? > We may transfer your personal data to service providers, advisors, potential transactional partners, or other third parties in connection with the consideration, negotiation, or completion of a corporate transaction or proceeding in which we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets We're not selling your data, we're transferring it. This clause esp. makes me loath to sign up, since all this good will around privacy protections goes away in a sale. Given that this was made by WhatsApp devs, perhaps they understand the value of data... [0] https://www.halloapp.com/privacy/ https://www.halloapp.com/privacy/
- egberts1 5y ago
  Yep. I concur. Not necessary to have a phone support (such as your entire address book/contacts or your identity/MyCard) fot social indexing in these days and ages. As Signal App have adequately demonstrated that.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > We're not selling your data, we're transferring it. To be fair, if they get purchased or otherwise change hands, you'd want the data transferred and not deleted or siloed so it can't be used for its intended purpose. > in which we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets. This reads to me like "if we or our product become part of something else, that something else is now us". Only the most aggressive reading... "we sell... all or a portion of our assets" can be read as them selling your data for profit. Does that mean they won't? No, but the terms look like they're either hiding it well or it isn't their intention. I don't have great trust in tech companies, but I have some faith when the marketing is predicated on privacy, that a sale would ruin their reputation.
  - lelandfe 5y ago
    I don't see that as an "aggressive" interpretation of the words – that's the actual provision in the policy. There's a lot in that sentence, let's reduce it to the relevant stuff: > We may transfer your personal data to [third parties] in connection with... a corporate transaction or... we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets I don't understand why a company preaching privacy wouldn't want to show good faith by making an ironclad privacy policy around the same.
    - nickff 5y ago
      Making the privacy policy more specific than necessary will expose them to many frivolous lawsuits.
- princevegeta89 5y ago
thayne 5y ago
My phone number is definitely not my "most prized privacy info." If it was I'd be in trouble because there are all sorts of transactions, both digital and analog that require giving a phone number. At least in the US, if you refuse to give anyone your phone number, you'll have a hard time living a normal life. And you compare to Signal, which also requires your phone number, and uses it as the primary identifier.
zaik 5y ago
Pretty sure Signal also collects your phone number.
- egberts1 5y ago
  Sure. But it is a phone number that I do not use much less answer.

lelandfe 5y ago

> We use your phone number to connect you with friends and family. Beyond that, we never collect, store or use any personal information and never show you ads. Never. For real. From their homepage. Contact Info and Contacts sharing are inherent to this app, it seems. It's worth noting that "beyond that, we never collect [more personal information]" is pretty clearly incorrect, since they do at least also collect contacts. Their Privacy Policy[0] also does not inspire confidence: > We may share personal data we get with service providers who help us provide our Services We're not selling your data, we're sharing it. Which service providers? What are their policies around my data? > We may transfer your personal data to service providers, advisors, potential transactional partners, or other third parties in connection with the consideration, negotiation, or completion of a corporate transaction or proceeding in which we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets We're not selling your data, we're transferring it. This clause esp. makes me loath to sign up, since all this good will around privacy protections goes away in a sale. Given that this was made by WhatsApp devs, perhaps they understand the value of data... [0] https://www.halloapp.com/privacy/ https://www.halloapp.com/privacy/

egberts1 5y ago
Yep. I concur. Not necessary to have a phone support (such as your entire address book/contacts or your identity/MyCard) fot social indexing in these days and ages. As Signal App have adequately demonstrated that.
vineyardmike 5y ago
> We're not selling your data, we're transferring it. To be fair, if they get purchased or otherwise change hands, you'd want the data transferred and not deleted or siloed so it can't be used for its intended purpose. > in which we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets. This reads to me like "if we or our product become part of something else, that something else is now us". Only the most aggressive reading... "we sell... all or a portion of our assets" can be read as them selling your data for profit. Does that mean they won't? No, but the terms look like they're either hiding it well or it isn't their intention. I don't have great trust in tech companies, but I have some faith when the marketing is predicated on privacy, that a sale would ruin their reputation.
- lelandfe 5y ago
  I don't see that as an "aggressive" interpretation of the words – that's the actual provision in the policy. There's a lot in that sentence, let's reduce it to the relevant stuff: > We may transfer your personal data to [third parties] in connection with... a corporate transaction or... we are acquired by or merged with another company or we sell, liquidate, or transfer all or a portion of our business or assets I don't understand why a company preaching privacy wouldn't want to show good faith by making an ironclad privacy policy around the same.
  - nickff 5y ago
    Making the privacy policy more specific than necessary will expose them to many frivolous lawsuits.
princevegeta89 5y ago

thayne 5y ago

My phone number is definitely not my "most prized privacy info." If it was I'd be in trouble because there are all sorts of transactions, both digital and analog that require giving a phone number. At least in the US, if you refuse to give anyone your phone number, you'll have a hard time living a normal life. And you compare to Signal, which also requires your phone number, and uses it as the primary identifier.

zaik 5y ago

Pretty sure Signal also collects your phone number.

egberts1 5y ago
Sure. But it is a phone number that I do not use much less answer.