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It's not just longshoremen they wish to remove. So far that hasn't worked but it demonstrates a trend, foreign owned ports really want to eliminate the US worke

It's not just longshoremen they wish to remove. So far that hasn't worked but it demonstrates a trend, foreign owned ports really want to eliminate the US worker / vessel requirement. It shows that their aim isn't just to remove some Americans from working these ports, but any and all. That's all. It just illustrates my point, which is that over time these foreign owned ports want to entirely take over the operations and maintenance and staffing of the ports.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
Sure, but again, how would a Dutch dredging company coming in for a dredging project impact longshoremen? I'm assuming that dredging isn't needed that often in US ports.
- midislack 4y ago
  Foot in the door to replace them.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    ...foot in the door how? You've yet to describe a single mechanism. Dubai replacing locals with foreigners is specific to Dubai and Dubai law, and what the government of Dubai is aiming to do. Unless you can show why and how it can be extrapolated to every other port in every other jurisdiction. In my country, cargo shipping lines owned here are long obsolete, as coastal shipping was replaced by railway and road, and for international freight, overseas shipping lines had the capital to float the larger ships that were the result of containerisation, and the existing port contracts with ports that are dispatching to us. For large scale dredging operations, we bring in the big specialist vessels. (We have smaller dredges for the smaller ports that are based around a river mouth, as they need to dredge far more often, but at a far smaller scale). Likewise, when it's time to move an offshore natural gas platform, we bring in the specialised vessels from overseas. But, all of our port workers are still from our country - just because the ships are foreign owned doesn't mean we have to change all of our employment laws to allow foreign companies to operate our ports. If Dubai did that, then that's because Dubai chose to. Likewise, the USA could choose to do that also, whether or not a dredge was run by the Dutch. You're afraid of globalisation, and that's fine, it's had positives in some areas, but definite negatives in others, but you're focused on the wrong thing here - it's not foreign dredges, it's American lawmakers who are drinking deep of the neoliberal KoolAid.
    - midislack 4y ago
      Mechanism is illustrated in the link I originally replied to at the top of this page. Foot in the door mechanism, slippery slope, one thing leads to another. And while I’m not afraid of globalism, I do scorn and denigrate it. Bully it.

EdwardDiego 4y ago

Sure, but again, how would a Dutch dredging company coming in for a dredging project impact longshoremen? I'm assuming that dredging isn't needed that often in US ports.

midislack 4y ago
Foot in the door to replace them.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  ...foot in the door how? You've yet to describe a single mechanism. Dubai replacing locals with foreigners is specific to Dubai and Dubai law, and what the government of Dubai is aiming to do. Unless you can show why and how it can be extrapolated to every other port in every other jurisdiction. In my country, cargo shipping lines owned here are long obsolete, as coastal shipping was replaced by railway and road, and for international freight, overseas shipping lines had the capital to float the larger ships that were the result of containerisation, and the existing port contracts with ports that are dispatching to us. For large scale dredging operations, we bring in the big specialist vessels. (We have smaller dredges for the smaller ports that are based around a river mouth, as they need to dredge far more often, but at a far smaller scale). Likewise, when it's time to move an offshore natural gas platform, we bring in the specialised vessels from overseas. But, all of our port workers are still from our country - just because the ships are foreign owned doesn't mean we have to change all of our employment laws to allow foreign companies to operate our ports. If Dubai did that, then that's because Dubai chose to. Likewise, the USA could choose to do that also, whether or not a dredge was run by the Dutch. You're afraid of globalisation, and that's fine, it's had positives in some areas, but definite negatives in others, but you're focused on the wrong thing here - it's not foreign dredges, it's American lawmakers who are drinking deep of the neoliberal KoolAid.
  - midislack 4y ago
    Mechanism is illustrated in the link I originally replied to at the top of this page. Foot in the door mechanism, slippery slope, one thing leads to another. And while I’m not afraid of globalism, I do scorn and denigrate it. Bully it.