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If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is

by na85 4y ago

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

gitfan86 4y ago
OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence? Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers? Wouldn't you rather have the car stop safely, instead of being pit maneuvered and flipped into a ditch?
- na85 4y ago
  >Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers? Scare? No. I'm just pointing out that, just as pervasive corporate surveillance is now the norm on the internet, pervasive tracking and always-on kill switches for cars will soon become the new norm. Law enforcement will paint it exactly as you have done here, with all the pearl-clutching and "think of the children"-type arguments that always accompany a new overstep/affront against civil liberties.
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    - na85 4y ago
      I think you know perfectly well what my point is and you're being deliberately obstinate.
- mtlynch 4y ago
  OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence? That didn't happen. Police followed OJ for 50 miles and ultimately let him drive safely to his house. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Bronco_chase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Br...
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    The LAPD had killed plenty of people who didn't comply with their orders at that point. It is completely unrealistic to think that the LAPD wouldn't have used violence against OJ, if he had tried to flee to Mexico.
throwaway1777 4y ago
The idea that this is the “valley crowd” is laughable. Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either.
- na85 4y ago
  >Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either. Well, certainly it's Bay Area companies leading the charge towards said dystopia. Google and Facebook come immediately to mind as far as villains in this particular plot.
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filoleg 4y ago
> If you think Teslas driven [...] can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. I wonder how this is even remotely possible, given that Teslas can easily operate fully offline (which they frequently do in areas with poor cell reception). You can just build a small faraday cage encasing the modem so that it cannot receive signal, and you are good to go. Also, I don't think that the drivetrain subsystem and the subsystem that is connected to the internet can even interop. I know for a fact that even if the main computer (the one that is connected to the big screen) on a tesla is rebooting or shutting off, you can still operate the car like usual.
- another_story 4y ago
  The point they're making is that this is coming and the groundwork is already being laid, both legally and technologically.
  - loueed 4y ago
    Wondering how would they prevent the faraday cage solution? I guess the OEM could disable the car if it cant phone home but surely that would lead to accidents e.g. blocking the modem while driving.
    - llbeansandrice 4y ago
      Probably just say the car won't start if it hasn't phoned home in a certain amount of time. Attempt to phone on start-up, shutdown if it can't. You don't have to rug-pull while the car is active. I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it. Tesla's should be fully functional currently, it's the self-driving that's a subscription.
      - autoexec 4y ago
        > I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it. that feature has existed for over a decade. Miss a payment and your engine can be remotely disabled.

by na85 4y ago

gitfan86 4y ago

OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence? Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers? Wouldn't you rather have the car stop safely, instead of being pit maneuvered and flipped into a ditch?

na85 4y ago
>Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers? Scare? No. I'm just pointing out that, just as pervasive corporate surveillance is now the norm on the internet, pervasive tracking and always-on kill switches for cars will soon become the new norm. Law enforcement will paint it exactly as you have done here, with all the pearl-clutching and "think of the children"-type arguments that always accompany a new overstep/affront against civil liberties.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  - na85 4y ago
    I think you know perfectly well what my point is and you're being deliberately obstinate.
mtlynch 4y ago
OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence? That didn't happen. Police followed OJ for 50 miles and ultimately let him drive safely to his house. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Bronco_chase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Br...
- gitfan86 4y ago
  The LAPD had killed plenty of people who didn't comply with their orders at that point. It is completely unrealistic to think that the LAPD wouldn't have used violence against OJ, if he had tried to flee to Mexico.

throwaway1777 4y ago

The idea that this is the “valley crowd” is laughable. Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either.

na85 4y ago
>Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either. Well, certainly it's Bay Area companies leading the charge towards said dystopia. Google and Facebook come immediately to mind as far as villains in this particular plot.

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filoleg 4y ago

> If you think Teslas driven [...] can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. I wonder how this is even remotely possible, given that Teslas can easily operate fully offline (which they frequently do in areas with poor cell reception). You can just build a small faraday cage encasing the modem so that it cannot receive signal, and you are good to go. Also, I don't think that the drivetrain subsystem and the subsystem that is connected to the internet can even interop. I know for a fact that even if the main computer (the one that is connected to the big screen) on a tesla is rebooting or shutting off, you can still operate the car like usual.

another_story 4y ago
The point they're making is that this is coming and the groundwork is already being laid, both legally and technologically.
- loueed 4y ago
  Wondering how would they prevent the faraday cage solution? I guess the OEM could disable the car if it cant phone home but surely that would lead to accidents e.g. blocking the modem while driving.
  - llbeansandrice 4y ago
    Probably just say the car won't start if it hasn't phoned home in a certain amount of time. Attempt to phone on start-up, shutdown if it can't. You don't have to rug-pull while the car is active. I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it. Tesla's should be fully functional currently, it's the self-driving that's a subscription.
    - autoexec 4y ago
      > I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it. that feature has existed for over a decade. Miss a payment and your engine can be remotely disabled.