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Like what? Everything I find is just “breakthroughs” that I feel never reach mass market. There’s very little information regarding incremental improvements. I

Like what? Everything I find is just “breakthroughs” that I feel never reach mass market. There’s very little information regarding incremental improvements. I got a new Android phone that has an excellent battery but in return, it doesn’t have wireless charging because it just be too slow. This is not new technology, it’s a tradeoff.

speedgoose 4y ago
Phones charge a lot faster than a few years ago.
- throwaway81523 4y ago
  That's the same batteries being charged at higher current, with more careful monitoring, temperature sensors etc. It's actually a little bit distressing: phones use more power than they used to, instead of less, despite improvements in electronics efficiency. It's the Microsoft Word treadmill all over again.
  - trompetenaccoun 4y ago
    Positively framed the functionality has grown much faster than battery capacity has evolved. Phones back in the day were phones, now they're pocket computers. Ignoring the industry claims I feel like batteries have improved, comparing for example Laptops from 10 or 15 years ago with modern ones. Another thing that people might not even be consciously aware of is that they're using their mobile devices more these days than in the past, which obviously leads to faster drained batteries.
    - throwaway81523 4y ago
      Imho that doesn't hold water. Today's phones don't deliver more useful functionality than the phones of 5 years ago, but they do use more power. Their cpus have gotten faster in order to keep up with the javascript and advertising bloat of badly designed web sites. It would be better to keep the phones low powered so the web site operators have to maintain some self-control with their js and ads.
gus_massa 4y ago
Ignore the “breakthroughs”. They are usually very early reports exaggerated by the pres office of the university and then copy&pasted in the web. They may be useful in 20 years, or not. Meanwhile, there are a lot of small incremental improvements that are ignored by the press. It's interesting to compare the long term improvement. For example "Lithium-Ion Battery Cell Densities Have Almost Tripled Since 2010" https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/19/bloombergnef-lithium-ion-battery-cell-densities-have-almost-tripled-since-2010/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/19/bloombergnef-lithium-io... (I found it with this search https://www.google.com/search?q=battery+weight+per+kwh&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=battery+weight+per+kwh&tbm=i... and then I picked the one with the graphic I like the most.)

speedgoose 4y ago

Phones charge a lot faster than a few years ago.

throwaway81523 4y ago
That's the same batteries being charged at higher current, with more careful monitoring, temperature sensors etc. It's actually a little bit distressing: phones use more power than they used to, instead of less, despite improvements in electronics efficiency. It's the Microsoft Word treadmill all over again.
- trompetenaccoun 4y ago
  Positively framed the functionality has grown much faster than battery capacity has evolved. Phones back in the day were phones, now they're pocket computers. Ignoring the industry claims I feel like batteries have improved, comparing for example Laptops from 10 or 15 years ago with modern ones. Another thing that people might not even be consciously aware of is that they're using their mobile devices more these days than in the past, which obviously leads to faster drained batteries.
  - throwaway81523 4y ago
    Imho that doesn't hold water. Today's phones don't deliver more useful functionality than the phones of 5 years ago, but they do use more power. Their cpus have gotten faster in order to keep up with the javascript and advertising bloat of badly designed web sites. It would be better to keep the phones low powered so the web site operators have to maintain some self-control with their js and ads.

gus_massa 4y ago

Ignore the “breakthroughs”. They are usually very early reports exaggerated by the pres office of the university and then copy&pasted in the web. They may be useful in 20 years, or not. Meanwhile, there are a lot of small incremental improvements that are ignored by the press. It's interesting to compare the long term improvement. For example "Lithium-Ion Battery Cell Densities Have Almost Tripled Since 2010" https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/19/bloombergnef-lithium-ion-battery-cell-densities-have-almost-tripled-since-2010/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/19/bloombergnef-lithium-io... (I found it with this search https://www.google.com/search?q=battery+weight+per+kwh&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=battery+weight+per+kwh&tbm=i... and then I picked the one with the graphic I like the most.)