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Casey's next stream [1] will probably be very entertaining! Back when the original drama unfold I could very much empathize with his frustration. Let's not forg

Casey's next stream [1] will probably be very entertaining! Back when the original drama unfold I could very much empathize with his frustration. Let's not forget they told him that what he was suggesting was the work of a PHD when any game developer worth his grain of salt could do that very trivially. [1] https://www.twitch.tv/handmade_hero https://www.twitch.tv/handmade_hero

aulin 4y ago
Devs over and underestimate effort all the time
- starburst 4y ago
  Sure but in this case it was grossly over-estimated compared to the under-estimated side. Casey did the implementation [1] to prove the point and also made explanatory videos [2] of it. [1] https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM8QmyZXtg&t=1052s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM8QmyZXtg&t=1052s
  - aulin 4y ago
    thanks, that's a lot of context missing from the tweet in the title and from the bug report
oofbey 4y ago
- starburst 4y ago
  This is so insulting to Casey, he does his instructional videos for the world to see and educate a new generation of programmers about how to make a game completely from scratch. This isn't his full-time jobs. This isn't some streamer trying to gather new audience by brewing up drama.
  - ripley12 4y ago
    - LigmaYC 4y ago
      This is just a purely insulting comment. Name calling and dismissing valid complaints as that "one time he was right"
      - ripley12 4y ago
        oofbey 4y ago
        Or is LigmaYC actually in fact Casey himself??? Troll-busters want to know.
        LigmaYC 4y ago
        No, this is just a temp account because I mainly lurk HN. Given your previous tone, I wouldn't suggest accusing others of being part of an "angry mob".
        kayamon 4y ago
        > I wouldn't suggest accusing others of being part of an "angry mob". Why not? What are you going to do about it? Be angry more?
        LigmaYC 4y ago
        No, read the first part of the sentence.
  - oofbey 4y ago
    Good for him. Sounds worthwhile. I'd be more inclined to watch him or recommend him based on that instead of learning of his existence by him yelling "I told you so!" in reaction to the kind of thing that happens every day in large software projects.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  Casey streams every day, usually with very few viewers. This drama fell into his lap, a perfect package-wrapped gift from the Microsoft team. What you're saying is like accusing NPR of profiting from a war of famine or something.
  - oofbey 4y ago
    Fair point. He didn't need to deliberately generate the conflict. But he sure seems to be enjoying it. Instead of maybe moving on, or using the experience to build connections and strengthen relationships with the people he interacted with. Sounds like plenty of apologies have been sent his way. But accepting them isn't as much fun as yelling and throwing rocks. Also, temper tantrums get more attention.
cma 4y ago
> when any game developer worth his grain of salt could do that very trivially. Just to note that Casey isn't any game developer, but one who is an expert on 2D UI rendering and popularized his own gui rendering type (probably more or less used in some older games but not articulated?): immediate mode rendering: https://caseymuratori.com/blog_0001 https://caseymuratori.com/blog_0001 He's basically an expert in this domain with a very popular approach to performant 2D gui rendering.
- starburst 4y ago
  Of course he isn't just any game developer, that doesn't mean the issue at hands isn't trivial for a game developer to tackle.

aulin 4y ago

Devs over and underestimate effort all the time

starburst 4y ago
Sure but in this case it was grossly over-estimated compared to the under-estimated side. Casey did the implementation [1] to prove the point and also made explanatory videos [2] of it. [1] https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM8QmyZXtg&t=1052s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM8QmyZXtg&t=1052s
- aulin 4y ago
  thanks, that's a lot of context missing from the tweet in the title and from the bug report

oofbey 4y ago

starburst 4y ago
This is so insulting to Casey, he does his instructional videos for the world to see and educate a new generation of programmers about how to make a game completely from scratch. This isn't his full-time jobs. This isn't some streamer trying to gather new audience by brewing up drama.
- ripley12 4y ago
  - LigmaYC 4y ago
    This is just a purely insulting comment. Name calling and dismissing valid complaints as that "one time he was right"
    - ripley12 4y ago
      - oofbey 4y ago
        Or is LigmaYC actually in fact Casey himself??? Troll-busters want to know.
      - LigmaYC 4y ago
        No, this is just a temp account because I mainly lurk HN. Given your previous tone, I wouldn't suggest accusing others of being part of an "angry mob".
        kayamon 4y ago
        > I wouldn't suggest accusing others of being part of an "angry mob". Why not? What are you going to do about it? Be angry more?
        LigmaYC 4y ago
        No, read the first part of the sentence.
- oofbey 4y ago
  Good for him. Sounds worthwhile. I'd be more inclined to watch him or recommend him based on that instead of learning of his existence by him yelling "I told you so!" in reaction to the kind of thing that happens every day in large software projects.
phendrenad2 4y ago
Casey streams every day, usually with very few viewers. This drama fell into his lap, a perfect package-wrapped gift from the Microsoft team. What you're saying is like accusing NPR of profiting from a war of famine or something.
- oofbey 4y ago
  Fair point. He didn't need to deliberately generate the conflict. But he sure seems to be enjoying it. Instead of maybe moving on, or using the experience to build connections and strengthen relationships with the people he interacted with. Sounds like plenty of apologies have been sent his way. But accepting them isn't as much fun as yelling and throwing rocks. Also, temper tantrums get more attention.

cma 4y ago

> when any game developer worth his grain of salt could do that very trivially. Just to note that Casey isn't any game developer, but one who is an expert on 2D UI rendering and popularized his own gui rendering type (probably more or less used in some older games but not articulated?): immediate mode rendering: https://caseymuratori.com/blog_0001 https://caseymuratori.com/blog_0001 He's basically an expert in this domain with a very popular approach to performant 2D gui rendering.

starburst 4y ago
Of course he isn't just any game developer, that doesn't mean the issue at hands isn't trivial for a game developer to tackle.