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Google, Samsung unveil Ice Cream Sandwich-powered Galaxy Nexus
- hospadam 15y agoIt looks like Google has really improved the overall look and feel of the UI. It feels equal parts, Android, iPhone, and Metro. But. Does the fact they're moving from hardware buttons -> software buttons mean that current handsets are left out of the upgrade process? If so - I think it's a huge mistake. They didn't seem to cover it in the meeting... hopefully current Android owners won't be completely left out of the upgrade...
- darrenkopp 15y agoDoubt it. There's no reason why hardware buttons that do the exact same thing as onscreen ones wouldn't work.
- davux 15y agoThey don't match though. Search = (search?), Menu = App Switcher? I'm sure it won't block upgrades, but it's definitely at least a little bit awkward. I'm also wondering what apps will look like with the menu button--is there a 4th added onscreen? Then how does the hardware/software button mapping work?
- darrenkopp 15y agoThe search button would just send the search intent, so it depends on the app. The menu button I'm not sure about.
- jsight 15y agoThe search button was optional before ICS, and will likely continue to be. The menu button will likely be handled similarly to Honeycomb (it will appear for legacy apps, and disappear for modern apps). As far as I know, manufacturers are still allowed to include hardware buttons for now, thus old phones can still be upgraded. I expect they will phase this out eventually though, thanks to the flexibility that purely soft buttons can offer. The honeycomb buttons really do work better than the ones on previous phones (fewer inadvertant taps, easier to tap when wanted, etc).
- tadfisher 15y agoHolding Home is how you launch the App Switcher on pre-Honeycomb devices. I can't see them repurposing the Menu button like that. I'd be surprised to see current phones upgraded to ICS at all, anyway, and manufacturers who choose to use hardware buttons will likely choose the 3-button Honeycomb/ICS layout.
- nextparadigms 15y agoI can't believe how much stuff they managed to change and add in this version. It's like Android starting over and being made for the year 2011 and beyond. I'm also really excited about that camera. Instant photo capturing, and the video recording looked incredible. Hopefully it works as well as advertised, too, when launched.
- CoffeeDregs 15y agoI am not a gadget guy. Having lived in Silicon Valley for 15 years, I've always had the laptop that was state of the art two years ago. Mobile phones never mattered. But I gotta say that what Google is doing with Android is positively exciting (sure, there are issues, but they're pushing the boundary forward so quickly that the issues fall away in the rear view mirror). I had an iPhone 3GS and now have a Galaxy I phone, and I'm dying to upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus. Oh crap. I may be a fan boy. And I may be a gadget guy... Stupid technology and its awesomeness.... <insert Homer Simpson drool sound>
- Caballera 15y agoBe interesting to see how quickly ICS is adapted by the public at large. I mean it'll be interesting to see how quickly Android 2.2 and 2.3 devices are upgraded to Android 4.0.
- bockris 15y agoJust my opinion, but most phones won't have the horsepower to run ICS and the carriers are always loathe to spend manpower porting a new release to a old phone when what they really want is for you to buy a new phone an re-up for another 2 years.
- Raphael 15y agoUpgrades are why I really appreciate the developer community, doing hard work that vendors drag their feet with.
- PostOnce 15y agoThe top result when I google 'gingerbread' is the android SDK. This headline is funny, and a little stupid. I wish more stuff was just version numbers and not codenames. /endgripe
- simon_weber 15y agoIt's a lot easier to find meaningful search results for version names than numbers.
- jsz0 15y agoIs it my imagination or did the consistency they talked about involve the same swiping action doing completely different things throughout the OS & apps?
- eavc 15y agoThe swiping action is a metaphor for moving things, and it seemed consistent and intuitive. You flick items away in some cases, you pull screens to rotate/pan them. This is already implemented in some mods and is totally natural.
- jsz0 15y agoPerhaps. I'd have to try it out. My confusion stems from the contacts app. They swipe to get another 'page' of the UI like switching between home-screens. If it was consistent with the GMail app swiping on the individual contact should bring up more information about the item not switch to another page?
- Raphael 15y agoI'm also concerned about this. It seems the main function of horizontal swiping is switching screens. So why do they also use it for removing items? Then you can't remove items in an app that has multiple screens.
- 0x12 15y agoFor a second there I read that as a smartphone powered by icecream between two slices of bread. I was roughly halfway towards either peltier elements or Stirling engines, when I realized hat Ice Cream Sandwich is probably one of those silly names that people feel they have to give to their software.
- thwarted 15y agoReally? It's a dessert name, just like the other Android releases. http://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+sandwich&tbm=isch http://www.google.com/search?q=ice+cream+sandwich&tbm=is... This is like those HN comments that ask who rms is.
- 0x12 15y agoJust between you and me, I'm not a native English speaker, had never even heard of a dessert called Ice Cream Sandwich and only belatedly realized it was a piece of software. If they'd simply call it Android version x.xx there would be no problem at all. The only other arena where I recall come across such silly names is when people name their horses. Who RMS is is important enough for me to remember, I couldn't care less what each android release is named because (1) I don't have an android phone and (2) I don't develop for Android. Saying that it is just a dessert name and that I'm supposed to realize that is the same as telling you that you should have known that Grießbrei is a dessert too (and that one at least roughly translates). There is no equivalent to Ice Cream Sandwich in any other language that I'm aware of.
- camdykeman 15y agoI've got to say, I've had high hope for ICS, both as a user and developer but this OS looks extremely disappointing. From a user perspective, the interface is super cluttered. Its like Windows, just a screen full of icons and battery-eating widgets. http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-cream-sandwich-pictures-video-hands-on/ http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-... Check the video out on the link. Watch how long it takes him just to find the camera for the demonstration--at first he doesnt even know which way to go. Its just too much for a phone if you ask me. Even with its oversized screen the Nexus looked crowded. Its not a tablet--less is more. Furthermore, as a developer I dont like this descision to keep apps running even when you side-swipe them out of the 'active-app' list. Google reps claim that Android can handle resources well enough that we never need to worry about completely closing any app but if you ask me that sounds suspect. If resources are that plentiful and the OS is still completely open-source then its only a matter of time until this is exploited and the phone starts to lag. And if something does go wrong in an app I apparently can't kill it? I just see a number of problems down the road. Very disappointed.
- kalleboo 15y agoToo cluttered? If you can't find the camera icon on a screen with a clock and 6 icons (4 of which are in a row), how the heck are you going to find the camera icon in a grid of 12 icons that all have the exact same shape? I find iOS's homescreen extremely cluttered and VERY frustrating to use.
- camdykeman 15y agoI suppose my point was that iOS keeps things reasonably simply--they have a swipe-down notifications window now, you can scan back and forth through home-screen panels and you can access your apps list. ICS now has the home-screen x666 panels, your apps list, a seperate tab for widgets and another mess of panels, the new people window, your list of recent apps, a home button, a back button, twelve-hundred other buttons (all of which can be reassigned by any running application), blah blah blah. I know I'm obviously exaggerating, my point is the OS shouldnt promote the kind of clutter that I'm seeing in what should be a clean-cut OS-release demo.
- flyosity 15y agoFrom the review at This Is My Next: "The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there." You have got to be kidding me. How is it that Android still doesn't map a user's finger movements with nearly 1:1 accuracy on the screen? Pinch, zoom and flick response times on the iPhone have been superior to Android for years, even with significantly less powerful hardware (compare a 3GS response speed to a Nexus S and it's painfully different). Imagine if your mouse cursor couldn't keep up with your hand movements, or if letters didn't appear on the screen until a moment after you pressed your keyboard. That's what using Android is like for me, someone who has owned an iPhone since 2007. When I use my friends' Android phones, any of them, especially in the browser, it boggles my mind how laggy everything is. When will this actually be addressed?
- Kylekramer 15y agoOf course, that is one data point. Gizmodo says "certainly responsive" (http://gizmodo.com/5851133/samsung-galaxy-nexus-the-greatest-androids-got-a-720p-super-amoled-display http://gizmodo.com/5851133/samsung-galaxy-nexus-the-greatest...). Engadget says "startlingly fast" and "faster than its ever been" (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-on/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/samsung-galaxy-nexus-hand...). Personally I just think it is clear that Android has gone well beyond the limits of caring (not perception) for the vast majority of users. There will always be nits for picking, but acting like this really needs to be addressed (especially considering how subjective this performance perception can be) is silly.
- chugger 15y agoFast and responsive on this hardware, sure. But what about the other less powerful, free, bogo Android phones out there? Will your carrier-crippled Android phone be able to even upgrade to ICS?
- thisstreet 15y agoI've the feeling that Android doesn't employ the GPU for the OS, I hoped that this will change with 4.0
- ethank 15y ago4.6" screen? Do they not understand user experience at all? The arms race on screen sizes is getting ridiculous. It's like having a paperback book in your pocket. Why can't they increase pixel density but keep it in a dimension good for one handed operation with normal sized thumbs?
- tdoggette 15y agoIt's the same size as the screen on the Nexus S, but the buttons are now just a part of the screen, so the diagonal is bigger.
- ethank 15y agoThat doesn't address the question. The nexus S was and is a bear to use. Your thumb can't cover the width of the screen and the usable arc in one finger operation doesn't give you 100% coverage.
- eren-tantekin 15y agoIt's a matter of personal preference. Also depends on how big your hand is. I am, for instance, not satisfied with my 4 inch screen and selling my Nexus S to buy a 4.3 inch android.
- resnamen 15y agoSpeak for yourself. My S' screen is no match for my mighty bear claw.
- estel 15y agoThe Nexus S has a 4" screen. The Galaxy Nexus is 4.65".
- jarek 15y agoYeah, it's physically bigger. Nexus S is 124 x 63 x 10.8 mm, Galaxy Nexus is 135.5 x 68 x 8.9 mm. (Both probably with an asterisk on thickness, but...)
- tdoggette 15y agoI'm especially excited by how much they're stealing from WebOS. The app switching and the flicking out of notifications look neato.
- cpeterso 15y agoMatias Duarte, the Director of Android User Experience (staring with Honeycomb), was Palm's VP Human Interface and User Experience for webOS.
- psychotik 15y ago9 releases in 3 years -- anyone else think that's too much? I'm a mobile developer and just keeping up with Google/Apple updates is a huge task. It's almost come to a point where they ignore serviceability of products and just keep churning out new ones, expecting the eco system to keep up. And given Google's 'excellent' QA, my code is full of runtime-conditional checking to enable/disable features based on the user's version. Since users are slow to upgrade (carriers slow to push updates), the test matrix just keeps growing and keeps getting more complex. Each SDK introduces new permissions, so now your app doesn't auto-update anymore. Which means you have a bunch of different versions of your app floating around, without converging. (I can write a whole essay about how their permissions stuff is broken - see iOS' model for a non-broken alternative). There is a reason Honeycomb adoption is abysmal - developers haven't gotten around to customizing their apps for it, which in turn results in lower sales of Honeycomb devices. And keeping up this pace isn't going to make it easier. Am I just being unreasonable here, or do others feel some of this pain too?
- drivebyacct2 15y agoWhat problems have you have with backward/forward compatibility with Android releases?
- psychotik 15y agoHave you tried using the Android Compatibility Library? It has several bugs, well documented with repro steps, that aren't even triaged. So now there's tons of Github forks, each with custom fixes. And when Google releases an update, all hell breaks loose. As an exercise, try converting a mildly complex app from using Activities to using Fragments. I guarantee you that you will need to sacrifice some functionality (for instance, try using ViewPager with ListFragments, and implement keyboard filtering). Now, hack stuff till you're only sort-of broken. Then, try to make it work from v1.6 to v3.0. Then, test it all in the ass-slow emulator (because you're unlikely to have devices running all those versions). It'll drive you insane, I promise.
- jarek 15y agoI thought Honeycomb was a tablet-only release. It will necessarily have a lower market share than universal/phone Android releases.
- itsmeritesh 15y ago4.6" seems a little big. But the face unlock feature seems really cool. I hoped that the nexus would come with a quad core chip, but current config doesn't look all that bad. As a nexus one user, I am worried that the stock ICS may not support the phone's hardware. The whole buttons things is a mess. Love Android!
- chugger 15y agoIt's really too bad carriers wont allow majority of Android users to upgrade to ICS.
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- eapen 15y agoYay for LED. But I am curious if Android still decides for me that I cannot take a picture if my battery is less than 10%. I sure hope not... I prefer making the decision myself.