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> 1. Yes or no, do you support the ability of the police to put people in jail in a way that circumvents the elected district attorney? No. But an injunction d
by wahern 4y ago
> 1. Yes or no, do you support the ability of the police to put people in jail in a way that circumvents the elected district attorney?
No. But an injunction doesn't put these people into jail. Let me flip it around: do you support restraining orders for abusive spouses if not part of a criminal conviction for abuse? Obviously it poses some dilemmas, but do you oppose the entire notion categorically?
> 2. Yes or no, do you view yourself as somebody that could at some point —for any reason whatsoever— piss off a cop?
I'm very respectful of cops, partly because I grew up in an environment where cops arrested people around me, including family, and cops were to always be avoided. I learned to 1) fear cops (e.g. avoid unnecessary contact, keep excessively polite when approached, hands at 10-2 if pulled over, etc), but also 2) avoid doing all the shit and anything tangentially related which people around me did to get arrested. On my paternal side most of the men--excepting myself, a cousin, and a nephew--have been to jail, several on convictions (i.e not merely pretrial detainment). Objectively speaking I'm not at all at the same risk as many other populations of men; OTOH, I have far more direct experience with the system than the vast majority of people otherwise in my risk cohort. More importantly, I have far more direct experience living in the types of violent environments which unfortunately necessarily require the intervention of law enforcement (regardless of whether that intervention is too heavy handed or not), and understand that there are unavoidable trade-offs to be made when it comes to maximizing the safety of communities. And the hyperbolic, metaphorically-pearl-clutching attitude regarding liberty issues, expressed at least numerically largely by activists which have no such experience--either with community or police violence--nor face even a substantial risk of that experience is... bothersome. Communities experiencing that violence tend to have more nuanced and complicated opinions, especially when they're facing concrete choices with potentially immediate consequences; when there are no direct consequences to policy choices, people tend to become more extreme and ideological.
- braingenious 4y agoThis is a lot of words again. > No. But an injunction doesn't put these people into jail. Literally lol. What are you talking about? If the cops are able to arrest you on sight, that means they take you to jail on sight without you having to have committed an actual crime. That is literally the intent of this injunction. The SFPD huffed and puffed about their inability to secure a conviction so they tried to reduce the burden of proof to justify a “crime” has been committed to “a cop saw you on the wrong street.” It is a blatant and shameless attempt at a power grab, nothing less. Serious question: Where do you think the police take people after arrest? Anyway, so for question 1 your answer is “Yes.” As for question 2, your answer is “No.” Your entire view of this situation is that you support police power overreach because you don’t think it’ll be used against you. It’ll only be used against criminals and bad guys! And you could never even be mistaken or accused of that because you’re just so gosh darn polite to the cops (a sign that you’re more intelligent and a more productive member of society than anybody that could _ever_ be targeted by police.) Third yes or no question: Do you work in law enforcement? This sort of huffy propaganda tends to come directly from cops and the sycophants that tend to surround and idolize them.