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It's absolutely realistic, and the fact that you're writing it off so quickly shows your ignorance. Social housing is successful in many parts of the world. Loo

It's absolutely realistic, and the fact that you're writing it off so quickly shows your ignorance. Social housing is successful in many parts of the world. Look at Singapore, for instance. Mandatory parking minimums are going away in cities across the US, and units are getting more housing as a result. Washington State is considering removing single family zoning. Cities like Paris have many smaller apartment complexes that are public housing. Everything I've suggested either exists or is being discussed seriously in some capacity. But, by all means keep your head in the sand rather than try to engage with actual housing policy.

paisawalla 4y ago
It's really incredible that you're saying "superficially similar policies are being enacted in multiple, disparate geographies around the world, in vastly differing cultural and economic contexts, so you can't deny that all of them should coincide in one totally separate place I've chosen." I notice you didn't mention Berlin's rent control fiasco btw
shaky-carrousel 4y ago
It's funny. There are ignorant people everywhere. But smug ignorance, that I only find it in Americans, for some reason. Maybe it's that "best country in the world" mentality leaking. That mentality doesn't make humble people.
- Gortal278 4y ago
  Travel more. There is plenty of smug ignorance around the world.
notch656a 4y ago
About a third of Singapore is persons who don't have Citizenship nor PR. Their public housing is propped up by making like 1/3 of the often lower earning workers (who are ineligible for public housing) pay taxes so that the Citizens and PR holders can profit. If 'Success' is your metric, the Singapore analogy to America would be to import way more Canadians and Mexicans, ban them from public housing and then make them pay for it.
andi999 4y ago
The singapore housing system is a great policy. I dont see it how it fits with your ideas. First landlord is protected over tenant (rents are through the roof in singapore as well). The hdb scheme is worth look into: government build apartments sold to people with medium income and racial quotas.
b112 4y ago
Washington State is considering removing single family zoning. No, no they are not. Washington state has more than Seattle in it. It has rural areas, and mountainous regions, and no, every house in a rural area is not on agriculturally zoned land. Nor does it make sense to have multidwelling houses, miles apart from each other. I think, as others in this thread have stated, you are mistaking musings, ponderings, and "feelz good" ideas for serious discourse. I support public housing, but that has zero bearing on changing the housing market. Which, I may add, is in a tiny, temporary inflated bubble. A decade ago, it was still recovering from the largest crash in modern history. In terms of public housing, as land value increases, so do property taxes. Thus, municipalities then have more funds to... build and maintain public housing! Which means that housing costs do not change the percentage of a city's budgetary costs, to build and maintain public housing.
- turtledove 4y ago
  https://mynorthwest.com/3284239/ross-gov-inslee-plan-move-beyond-single-family-zoning-homeless-crisis/ https://mynorthwest.com/3284239/ross-gov-inslee-plan-move-be... Yes, Washington State is considering this. Yes, it's back on the drawing board, but it's very much in active discussion at the state level.
  - b112 4y ago
    Interesting, I get it now. They have "area zoning", which says "only single family homes may exist here". Thus, changing this won't ban single family dwellings. Only enable other types of dwellings. A strange concept, but OK. Understood, thanks.
qeternity 4y ago
Oh my, clearly you’ve never lived in these places. I used to live in Singapore: it’s one of the most overheated housing markets in the world. All of the things you mention exist in the US to much larger degrees (do you know how much the US spends on social housing??) You are slinging insults to other commenters but you are really out of your depth here and have picked a couple of things and hailed them as solutions. You know not what you speak of. Source: American expat currently living in London, previously Singapore.

paisawalla 4y ago

It's really incredible that you're saying "superficially similar policies are being enacted in multiple, disparate geographies around the world, in vastly differing cultural and economic contexts, so you can't deny that all of them should coincide in one totally separate place I've chosen." I notice you didn't mention Berlin's rent control fiasco btw

shaky-carrousel 4y ago

It's funny. There are ignorant people everywhere. But smug ignorance, that I only find it in Americans, for some reason. Maybe it's that "best country in the world" mentality leaking. That mentality doesn't make humble people.

Gortal278 4y ago
Travel more. There is plenty of smug ignorance around the world.

notch656a 4y ago

About a third of Singapore is persons who don't have Citizenship nor PR. Their public housing is propped up by making like 1/3 of the often lower earning workers (who are ineligible for public housing) pay taxes so that the Citizens and PR holders can profit. If 'Success' is your metric, the Singapore analogy to America would be to import way more Canadians and Mexicans, ban them from public housing and then make them pay for it.

andi999 4y ago

The singapore housing system is a great policy. I dont see it how it fits with your ideas. First landlord is protected over tenant (rents are through the roof in singapore as well). The hdb scheme is worth look into: government build apartments sold to people with medium income and racial quotas.

b112 4y ago

Washington State is considering removing single family zoning. No, no they are not. Washington state has more than Seattle in it. It has rural areas, and mountainous regions, and no, every house in a rural area is not on agriculturally zoned land. Nor does it make sense to have multidwelling houses, miles apart from each other. I think, as others in this thread have stated, you are mistaking musings, ponderings, and "feelz good" ideas for serious discourse. I support public housing, but that has zero bearing on changing the housing market. Which, I may add, is in a tiny, temporary inflated bubble. A decade ago, it was still recovering from the largest crash in modern history. In terms of public housing, as land value increases, so do property taxes. Thus, municipalities then have more funds to... build and maintain public housing! Which means that housing costs do not change the percentage of a city's budgetary costs, to build and maintain public housing.

turtledove 4y ago
https://mynorthwest.com/3284239/ross-gov-inslee-plan-move-beyond-single-family-zoning-homeless-crisis/ https://mynorthwest.com/3284239/ross-gov-inslee-plan-move-be... Yes, Washington State is considering this. Yes, it's back on the drawing board, but it's very much in active discussion at the state level.
- b112 4y ago
  Interesting, I get it now. They have "area zoning", which says "only single family homes may exist here". Thus, changing this won't ban single family dwellings. Only enable other types of dwellings. A strange concept, but OK. Understood, thanks.

qeternity 4y ago

Oh my, clearly you’ve never lived in these places. I used to live in Singapore: it’s one of the most overheated housing markets in the world. All of the things you mention exist in the US to much larger degrees (do you know how much the US spends on social housing??) You are slinging insults to other commenters but you are really out of your depth here and have picked a couple of things and hailed them as solutions. You know not what you speak of. Source: American expat currently living in London, previously Singapore.