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By having homosexuality violently oppressed, ostracized and ridiculed in the past, and slowly reversing that attitude towards it? People were literally criminal

by scotu 4y ago

By having homosexuality violently oppressed, ostracized and ridiculed in the past, and slowly reversing that attitude towards it? People were literally criminals for loving people of the same sex...

solarhoma 4y ago
20-40 years turnaround in a civilization is anything but slow in my opinion.
- philjohn 4y ago
  A lot can happen in 20-40 years, and has happened in 20-40 years throughout history. Industrial Revolution, being a prime example. We've also become far more interconnected in the last 20 years, which plays a large part - whereas before people may have kept quiet because they thought they were the odd one out they now know they aren't.
  - solarhoma 4y ago
    I do not agree that the industrial revolution is equivalent to changing sexuality within a society. I could agree that modern technology and the industrial revolution are very similar. But even with that it has taken 60+yrs for our society to have a computer in the majority of homes after the Manchester Baby was created (and I think this change happened extremely quickly). And, analog and electromechanical computers go back even further. So, again, I think even these things have been a very gradual change happening over many decades once the leading technology was invented. To further expand on my thoughts, to imply everyone was using ‘industrial revolution’ technology overnight would be heresy. I’m sure it took factories many decades to build and retrofit equipment including a technology run up to the revolution itself. With this said, you peaked my interest in this area and I have some researching to do this weekend.
    - scotu 4y ago
      > changing sexuality The sexuality is not "changing" significantly, what changed is that it's getting less dangerous to 1. realize that you are not straight 2. not be straight 3. tell people (including polls) that you are not straight...
- dillondoyle 4y ago
  Yeah it's kind of shocking how fast gay marriage turned around. Obama was against it start of first term. I think that's part of why we are seeing such insane comments on here. But tough. I wouldn't slow down progress just to placate or somehow reduce hate.
hef19898 4y ago
And if you go way back in history, homosexuality was totally accepted in places like ancient Greece. It's good that TV series show homosexuality as something normal, because it is. And if it helps to encourage more people to openly come out as either homo- or bi-sexual all the better.
- solarhoma 4y ago
  - hnbad 4y ago
    > With this sentiment why is Saudi Arabia not more accepting of homosexuality then? Because Saudi Arabia is a religiously fundamentalist theocracy and literally punishes people engaging in any activities perceived to suggest homosexuality with physical violence or death. > Or, did their media push it down their citizens throats until accepted as is being done today. You're using a metaphor that implies violent coersion. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "pushing it down their throats"? If you're referring to "overrepresentation"[0], can you elaborate who is doing it, why you think they're doing it (i.e. to what ultimate cause beyond "normalizing minorities") and why that is bad or objectionable? It reads like you're trying to say a lot of things you don't want to spell out but I'm not sure what they are. Just to be sure: I'm a white European heterosexual man, you don't have to worry about offending me. [0]: If you strictly mean demographic proportions, I guess is fair when applied to shows and films individually, though I'd like to see some numbers if you want to claim that this applies to Netflix's entire offering as a whole.

by scotu 4y ago

By having homosexuality violently oppressed, ostracized and ridiculed in the past, and slowly reversing that attitude towards it? People were literally criminals for loving people of the same sex...

solarhoma 4y ago

20-40 years turnaround in a civilization is anything but slow in my opinion.

philjohn 4y ago
A lot can happen in 20-40 years, and has happened in 20-40 years throughout history. Industrial Revolution, being a prime example. We've also become far more interconnected in the last 20 years, which plays a large part - whereas before people may have kept quiet because they thought they were the odd one out they now know they aren't.
- solarhoma 4y ago
  I do not agree that the industrial revolution is equivalent to changing sexuality within a society. I could agree that modern technology and the industrial revolution are very similar. But even with that it has taken 60+yrs for our society to have a computer in the majority of homes after the Manchester Baby was created (and I think this change happened extremely quickly). And, analog and electromechanical computers go back even further. So, again, I think even these things have been a very gradual change happening over many decades once the leading technology was invented. To further expand on my thoughts, to imply everyone was using ‘industrial revolution’ technology overnight would be heresy. I’m sure it took factories many decades to build and retrofit equipment including a technology run up to the revolution itself. With this said, you peaked my interest in this area and I have some researching to do this weekend.
  - scotu 4y ago
    > changing sexuality The sexuality is not "changing" significantly, what changed is that it's getting less dangerous to 1. realize that you are not straight 2. not be straight 3. tell people (including polls) that you are not straight...
dillondoyle 4y ago
Yeah it's kind of shocking how fast gay marriage turned around. Obama was against it start of first term. I think that's part of why we are seeing such insane comments on here. But tough. I wouldn't slow down progress just to placate or somehow reduce hate.

hef19898 4y ago

And if you go way back in history, homosexuality was totally accepted in places like ancient Greece. It's good that TV series show homosexuality as something normal, because it is. And if it helps to encourage more people to openly come out as either homo- or bi-sexual all the better.

solarhoma 4y ago
- hnbad 4y ago
  > With this sentiment why is Saudi Arabia not more accepting of homosexuality then? Because Saudi Arabia is a religiously fundamentalist theocracy and literally punishes people engaging in any activities perceived to suggest homosexuality with physical violence or death. > Or, did their media push it down their citizens throats until accepted as is being done today. You're using a metaphor that implies violent coersion. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "pushing it down their throats"? If you're referring to "overrepresentation"[0], can you elaborate who is doing it, why you think they're doing it (i.e. to what ultimate cause beyond "normalizing minorities") and why that is bad or objectionable? It reads like you're trying to say a lot of things you don't want to spell out but I'm not sure what they are. Just to be sure: I'm a white European heterosexual man, you don't have to worry about offending me. [0]: If you strictly mean demographic proportions, I guess is fair when applied to shows and films individually, though I'd like to see some numbers if you want to claim that this applies to Netflix's entire offering as a whole.