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Gen Z isn’t the world. US lgbt pop is 7% according to Wikipedia and that sounds high to me, maybe college kids experimenting with their identity in response to

Gen Z isn’t the world. US lgbt pop is 7% according to Wikipedia and that sounds high to me, maybe college kids experimenting with their identity in response to woke culture. I’d guess it’s more like 3-4%

Spivak 5y ago
Oh come on, are you really going to look up data about populations expecting it to be low, and then because it doesn’t conform to your world view make up some reason why it must be wrong? And the point about Gen Z is that this is where we’re heading. Millennials are 10% lgbt and growing, Gen Z is around lgbt 20% and growing. My all time favorite concert was Girl in Red who sold out a 5000 person venue in less than 30 minutes packed with young queer women in a red state. This is way way bigger than casual experimenting in college.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Good concert!?
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Look, I like music and just used it as an example of something that simply couldn’t happen two generations ago. The idea that artists like her can sell out shows in every city to a fanbase of queer women used to be unheard of. If you want a less niche example my hometown’s pride used to be less than 1000 people in the 80’s and now is half a million.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      I'm with you. I was genuinely asking.
      - Spivak 5y ago
        In that case, hell yeah! She’s really funny and down to earth live. The whole crowd going nuts screaming “they’re so pretty it hurts” gave me so much life. Sorry this thread is swinging so hard between folks who clearly have an axe to grind with the lgbt community and people who are shocked it’s still this bad in 2022 that I’m just defensive by default.
        dillondoyle 5y ago
        Nice! Yeah I just went to read comments (of course more crazy replies) after posting in the ACLU thread. I was shocked again at the crap people on this forum are writing in that thread too. Maybe you're right I shouldn't be shocked anymore. I've always known, but ben lucky enough not to have to experience very much, of the hate. But it just feels so much worse. Not just on queer ness but on anything not white-male christian. Or at least it's more vocal. Like why do these people feel the need to write this stream of crap on hacker news.... I can't decide which or both of these: - Emboldened by leaders & media to allow them to speak out already held beliefs (the silent majority except that's a euphemism). - This craziness has actually shifted, been created, and or amplified. Not just on LGBTQ issues. look at the ACLU thread (re lots of white males talking about overt discrimination because of diversity inclusion training and even more crazy q stuff like fbi false flagged jan 6 wth). I think it's both. On this topic for instance I very much doubt people knew let alone cared about trans girls playing on their high school sports team before we made progress to the point there were out trans high school girls and then it became a political punching bag. And now as a result some states and politicians are emboldened to pass dangerous laws that will cost even more lives.
- Geonode 5y ago
  All social justice movements have a trend phase, unfortunately this one is leading to life altering surgeries and suicides.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    This shit is exhausting, no it isn't. It feels like it is because it's being talked about more. 1. You cannot just decide you want GRS. Not only is the process itself expensive and long, even starting the process requires two separate psych evals and a doctor sign off and you have be fully socially transitioned for at least a year. 2. The people who make it through the process commit suicide less. > Those who wanted, and subsequently received, hormone therapy and/or surgical care had a substantially lower prevalence of past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who wanted hormone therapy and surgical care and did not receive them. > Those who had “de-transitioned” at some point, meaning having gone back to living according to their sex assigned at birth, were significantly more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts, both past-year and lifetime, than those who had never “de-transitioned.” Nearly 12 percent of those who “de-transitioned” attempted suicide in the past year compared to 6.7 percent of those who have not “de-transitioned.” https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/ https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidal...
    - jibberst 5y ago
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  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous. And crazy that it is a comment on this forum.
    - solarhoma 5y ago
      >This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous. We have differing standards of backwards, wrong , and dangerous. Are either of us right? I think we are right in our own heads because we are individually seeing different perspectives. But the important part is to not silence one’s ability to discuss such ideas.
dillondoyle 5y ago
Being gay or trans or non binary or whatever is not contagious. There is no reason for differing %, except the trend is very clear: The older the generation the fewer % are out. It's because people are more supported and more able to come out. More people aren't gay. More people are able to live their truth publicly. * and based on your comment I will leap that you aren't a part of this community. The ugly truth is it is still very hard to come out for way too many. And dangerous. Look at the attacks on trans kids and talking about gender in schools.
- fhklp 5y ago
  - hikingsimulator 5y ago
    ROGD is a invention by an adjunct who asked parents on transphobic websites. It was never intended to represent the reality of transgender people. Please don't spread lies and misinformation -- you just have to perform a cursory glance online to find that out. > Lisa Littman, as an adjunct assistant professor at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, created the term based on an online survey of parents on three anti-transgender websites who believed that their teenage children had suddenly manifested symptoms of gender dysphoria and begun identifying as transgender simultaneously with other children in their peer group. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria...
    - fhklp 5y ago
      Have a read of this, it's a first-hand account of a detransitioner who says that Littman's description of ROGD fit her to a tee: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name She was captured by the ideology as a teenager and took testosterone for a year and a half before realising what had happened to her. And there are many others just like her. I urge you to be more open-minded about this issue, and not baselessly accuse others of lies and misinformation, just for disagreeing with your opinion and having concerns about how children are being so negatively affected by this trend.

Spivak 5y ago

Oh come on, are you really going to look up data about populations expecting it to be low, and then because it doesn’t conform to your world view make up some reason why it must be wrong? And the point about Gen Z is that this is where we’re heading. Millennials are 10% lgbt and growing, Gen Z is around lgbt 20% and growing. My all time favorite concert was Girl in Red who sold out a 5000 person venue in less than 30 minutes packed with young queer women in a red state. This is way way bigger than casual experimenting in college.

dillondoyle 5y ago
Good concert!?
- Spivak 5y ago
  Look, I like music and just used it as an example of something that simply couldn’t happen two generations ago. The idea that artists like her can sell out shows in every city to a fanbase of queer women used to be unheard of. If you want a less niche example my hometown’s pride used to be less than 1000 people in the 80’s and now is half a million.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    I'm with you. I was genuinely asking.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      In that case, hell yeah! She’s really funny and down to earth live. The whole crowd going nuts screaming “they’re so pretty it hurts” gave me so much life. Sorry this thread is swinging so hard between folks who clearly have an axe to grind with the lgbt community and people who are shocked it’s still this bad in 2022 that I’m just defensive by default.
      - dillondoyle 5y ago
        Nice! Yeah I just went to read comments (of course more crazy replies) after posting in the ACLU thread. I was shocked again at the crap people on this forum are writing in that thread too. Maybe you're right I shouldn't be shocked anymore. I've always known, but ben lucky enough not to have to experience very much, of the hate. But it just feels so much worse. Not just on queer ness but on anything not white-male christian. Or at least it's more vocal. Like why do these people feel the need to write this stream of crap on hacker news.... I can't decide which or both of these: - Emboldened by leaders & media to allow them to speak out already held beliefs (the silent majority except that's a euphemism). - This craziness has actually shifted, been created, and or amplified. Not just on LGBTQ issues. look at the ACLU thread (re lots of white males talking about overt discrimination because of diversity inclusion training and even more crazy q stuff like fbi false flagged jan 6 wth). I think it's both. On this topic for instance I very much doubt people knew let alone cared about trans girls playing on their high school sports team before we made progress to the point there were out trans high school girls and then it became a political punching bag. And now as a result some states and politicians are emboldened to pass dangerous laws that will cost even more lives.
Geonode 5y ago
All social justice movements have a trend phase, unfortunately this one is leading to life altering surgeries and suicides.
- Spivak 5y ago
  This shit is exhausting, no it isn't. It feels like it is because it's being talked about more. 1. You cannot just decide you want GRS. Not only is the process itself expensive and long, even starting the process requires two separate psych evals and a doctor sign off and you have be fully socially transitioned for at least a year. 2. The people who make it through the process commit suicide less. > Those who wanted, and subsequently received, hormone therapy and/or surgical care had a substantially lower prevalence of past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who wanted hormone therapy and surgical care and did not receive them. > Those who had “de-transitioned” at some point, meaning having gone back to living according to their sex assigned at birth, were significantly more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts, both past-year and lifetime, than those who had never “de-transitioned.” Nearly 12 percent of those who “de-transitioned” attempted suicide in the past year compared to 6.7 percent of those who have not “de-transitioned.” https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/ https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidal...
  - jibberst 5y ago
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- dillondoyle 5y ago
  This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous. And crazy that it is a comment on this forum.
  - solarhoma 5y ago
    >This is so backwards, wrong, dangerous. We have differing standards of backwards, wrong , and dangerous. Are either of us right? I think we are right in our own heads because we are individually seeing different perspectives. But the important part is to not silence one’s ability to discuss such ideas.

dillondoyle 5y ago

Being gay or trans or non binary or whatever is not contagious. There is no reason for differing %, except the trend is very clear: The older the generation the fewer % are out. It's because people are more supported and more able to come out. More people aren't gay. More people are able to live their truth publicly. * and based on your comment I will leap that you aren't a part of this community. The ugly truth is it is still very hard to come out for way too many. And dangerous. Look at the attacks on trans kids and talking about gender in schools.

fhklp 5y ago
- hikingsimulator 5y ago
  ROGD is a invention by an adjunct who asked parents on transphobic websites. It was never intended to represent the reality of transgender people. Please don't spread lies and misinformation -- you just have to perform a cursory glance online to find that out. > Lisa Littman, as an adjunct assistant professor at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, created the term based on an online survey of parents on three anti-transgender websites who believed that their teenage children had suddenly manifested symptoms of gender dysphoria and begun identifying as transgender simultaneously with other children in their peer group. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria...
  - fhklp 5y ago
    Have a read of this, it's a first-hand account of a detransitioner who says that Littman's description of ROGD fit her to a tee: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name She was captured by the ideology as a teenager and took testosterone for a year and a half before realising what had happened to her. And there are many others just like her. I urge you to be more open-minded about this issue, and not baselessly accuse others of lies and misinformation, just for disagreeing with your opinion and having concerns about how children are being so negatively affected by this trend.