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What hardware synth should I buy as a newbie to the hobby? Budget: $100 used

carlgreene 4y ago
The Korg Volcas are all great fun. I'd probably go for a Volca Modular. Keys is fun, but can get boring pretty quick. https://www.korg-volca.com https://www.korg-volca.com
- capableweb 4y ago
  Yeah, Volcas are how I got started with music hardware, and they are a great introduction. I still use my Volca Bass from time to time, even though I have hardware that costs 10x as much now. Most of them sound really good, especially considering the price.
kennywinker 4y ago
$100 isn't going to get you much, unfortunately. Someone else has already suggested volcas, and they're probably your best bet for that price point - the only other things you might check out are the Teenage Engineering Pocket Operators, or one of the cheaper behringer things like Crave. That said, another direction you could head is to pick up a midi keyboard, and start playing with soft-synths to get a feel for the kinds of things you want to do. If you make sure to get one with midi output (not just USB midi) it'll stay useful when you eventually buy other gear.
hoherd 4y ago
I know you said hardware, but you also said $100. Some soft synths are worth the money, like the Korg DS-10 which can run on Nintendo DS or iOS. Check out what Anthony Seeha does with them. EG: https://youtu.be/TXTyMxM5vuY https://youtu.be/TXTyMxM5vuY
nkingsy 4y ago
If you want a keyboard, you can pick up an old 90s rompler for around that price. Love the keybed and build quality on my alesis qs6, but I just use it as a midi controller. If you just want knobs and sliders, look at something like a used notation launch control xl. If you want a full midi controller with keys, knobs, sliders, pads, maybe mpk mini? Nothing modern will have nice keys in that price range, though. Plug in to your phone/iPad/laptop, download synth one or surge xl, spend some time mapping and away you go. $100 is not a reasonable price point for good hardware that actually makes its own sounds, but who needs it when you have a super computer in your pocket.
- elevaet 4y ago
  I second everything parent said ^ You'll get a lot more utility and value out of software these days, but if you really want a hardware synth, the non-trendy 90s romplers can carry you far. If you want something with knobs and analogue circuitry look out for some of Behringer's recent offerings on the used market. TD-3 is a reliable clone of the absolutely classic TB-303 and can be scored for under $100.
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brudgers 4y ago
I asked HN a related question. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27822489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27822489 I started with SynthOne on my iPhone. Recently bought an Arturia MiniLab Mk II and am running Ableton live-lite it was bundled with on my laptops. <$100. More recently I bought a used Mbox II audio interface. An eBay bargain. Still more recently a Moog Werkstatt, Adorama had/has them for $149 because they’re closeout. And because it is a fn Moog. And of course more cables came in today’s mail because…well because it is probably a hobby…if it isn’t a hobby it will do until a hobby shows up.
djaychela 4y ago
You probably won't get something worthwhile for that money, alas. If you can get a secondhand behringer recreation of a classic synth at the right money, you might be close. I've taught music technology for over 20 years, and getting a simple subtractive synth and playing with it is the best way to learn this kind of thing. The temptation is always to get something vast and massively complex (as the presets will sound amazing), but in terms of learning how to actually program a synth, a basic one is way better. Something like the Roland SH-101 (which behringer have made a copy of) will let you understand all the elements of it that you can then translate to the complex structures of larger synths. I find cherry audio's voltage modular a great learning tool, if you take the right (basics first) approach - as it can get very complex very quickly otherwise!
- gmueckl 4y ago
  If you're going with software eurorack emulations as a didactic tool, VCV rack should be pointed out, too. The standalone version is open source: https://vcvrack.com https://vcvrack.com The basic modules that are included let you form the core of subtractive synthesis. Having them available as isolated, wired up building blocks is a very visual help in understanding how they relate.
namero999 4y ago
Korg nts-1. Same audio processing of a minilogue in a raw pcb factor. you might need an external midi controller to fully unleash it's power but those are cheap, used.
herewulf 4y ago
Related question: Any synths/MIDI controllers that show musical scales? Maybe with LEDs or something? I was dabbling in LMMS some time ago and it has an option to show scales but it's slow to enter and experiment with notes with the mouse. No, I can't be bothered to learn piano scales. I expended my mental capacity for it on guitar already.
- malteof 4y ago
  > No, I can't be bothered to learn piano scales. I expended my mental capacity for it on guitar already. It’s a lot easier on the piano. The keys are laid out as sheet music, very convenient if you know a bit of music theory.
- scarecrowbob 4y ago
  I have a couple of groovebox-style machines (Korg Electrobe 2, Novation circuit) and they will let you select a scale and then the pads are locked to that scale. And then the internal synth and the MIDI out will just be in that scale/key. I don't find it super useful-- I'm not bad at pianos/keys, but it does simplify note input quite a bit if that's what you're looking for.
- adzm 4y ago
  Well if you just keep to the key of C you can just play white keys. Some controllers have transposition settings on them! If not you can use a midi effect in your daw to transpose to another key, too. But really if you can already do things on guitar then piano will beat lot easier and probably even help your guitar technique as well.
- fassssst 4y ago
  Try a Launchpad X. It lights up all the pads that are part of a scale.
elsherbini 4y ago
The Korg Minilogue is a really good beginner synth. It has a what you see is what you get interface, and even has an an oscilliscope which relly helps starting out. Here's a video plugging this as a great beginner's synth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7EvKYTs4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7EvKYTs4I if you look at the recently sold on reverb, you see you can get one for ~$300 or ~$350. https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Korg%20Minilogue&show_only_sold=true&sort=published_at%7Cdesc https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Korg%20Minilogue&show_o...
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  What do you use the oscilloscope for? I saw a video yesterday from the 60s where someone was using one and it occurred me that in 20 years of music production I've never used one myself. What am I missing?
  - zdkl 4y ago
    Visual validation that your filters/effects are having the intended effect?
  - kennywinker 4y ago
    When you’re not used to processing sound and figuring out what is happening, translating that into the more familiar visual domain can be useful. You see the sharp points on a sawtooth wave, and realize that’s why it’s buzzy. Then you close the filter and watch the sharp points get rounded out and hear the buzzyness fade. In my experience, after I got better at mentally processing sound I started to want spectrum analysis more than a scope, because my brain was able to do a lot of what the scope was doing for me earlier - but I was still missing the birds-eye view of a spectrum analyzer.
bodge5000 4y ago
PO-28 would be my go to. Its pretty limited in what it can do (though for the money that makes sense), but what it does it does fantastically, better than a lot of hard or soft synths I've seen for 10x that (imo, the pocket operator keypad is much more intuative than a standard keyboard). Soft synths will of course be more affordable, you can get renoise for less than your budget which is a whole DAW. But I do recognise the appeal of hardware, no matter how many soft synths I buy it can't fill that hole for me either lol
kabes 4y ago
Behringer typically has good value for the money. They have a couple of mini synths (e.g. behringer model D soul) which is exactly $100. The behringer neutron is around $300, so you may find it around $150 used, and it's incredible value for that money.
- kennywinker 4y ago
  The soul line isn’t shipping yet, supposedly due to chip availability - but I suspect actually because they announce things before they’re done and ship based on enthusiasm/reaction.
fab1an 4y ago
I'd suggest to get a really great hardware synth to learn on - if you don't like it, the secondary market is usually active enough to sell it at minimal loss, and if you do like it, you immediately have a really nice instrument. If you just want to learn monophonic synthesis with an amazing sounding synth, geta Moog Grandmother for around 1k. You can buy used and sell used, too.
adzm 4y ago
Honestly on a budget your best bet is to get a midi controller and hook it up to your computer as a soft synth. You'll be able to do a lot more even though it might take a bit of setup. It's hard to get a good hardware synth at such a low price but you can get a relatively good controller -- some even come with Ableton Lite.
- fassssst 4y ago
  Yea a cheap controller like an Akai MPK Mini is a good place to start. There are great free DAWs like Studio One or GarageBand that you can use with soft synths. I highly recommend Serum as a soft synth to learn from because it’s extremely visual.
  - ace2358 4y ago
    Don’t forget vital for a free and I think open source clone of serum https://vital.audio/ https://vital.audio/
kcrx 4y ago
check out the korg volca line. The volca fm 2 is about to be my first hardware synth. It’s $170 new, so you can probably find something close to your budget used.
martingoodson 4y ago
Behringer TD-3-RD Analog Bass Line Synthesizer Model 15 Modular Synthesizer App (not hardware but close to the experience and sounds great)
- prova_modena 4y ago
  TD-3 is awesome but definitely a gateway drug purchase. I got one shortly after Roland's web-based synth recreations were posted on HN. Immediately wanted some sort of drum machine to go along with it. Now I also have an Elektron model:cycles, a mixer and an effects pedal, as well as a ton of cables slowly taking over my desk.
nonstickcoating 4y ago
You could also look at the cheaper Arturia synth. I really like how they sound (though AFAIK a lot of people don't - maybe take a listen to some Demos on YouTube) and find them decently intuitive for a beginner. The microbrute for example comes with a small patchbay (be careful of the modular rabbit hole though). A cursory search suggests prices between 150 and 200€ (sorry, to lazy to do conversion since I'm on Mobile). I only played with the Behringer clones a little at a friend's place. They sound totally fine, I think Arturia's build quality is way better, though. They have the benefit of being clones of popular (some may say famous) synth like the Moog Model D or the Roland 303, so they have a familiar sound.

The Korg Volcas are all great fun. I'd probably go for a Volca Modular. Keys is fun, but can get boring pretty quick. https://www.korg-volca.com https://www.korg-volca.com

capableweb 4y ago
Yeah, Volcas are how I got started with music hardware, and they are a great introduction. I still use my Volca Bass from time to time, even though I have hardware that costs 10x as much now. Most of them sound really good, especially considering the price.

kennywinker 4y ago

$100 isn't going to get you much, unfortunately. Someone else has already suggested volcas, and they're probably your best bet for that price point - the only other things you might check out are the Teenage Engineering Pocket Operators, or one of the cheaper behringer things like Crave. That said, another direction you could head is to pick up a midi keyboard, and start playing with soft-synths to get a feel for the kinds of things you want to do. If you make sure to get one with midi output (not just USB midi) it'll stay useful when you eventually buy other gear.

hoherd 4y ago

I know you said hardware, but you also said $100. Some soft synths are worth the money, like the Korg DS-10 which can run on Nintendo DS or iOS. Check out what Anthony Seeha does with them. EG: https://youtu.be/TXTyMxM5vuY https://youtu.be/TXTyMxM5vuY

nkingsy 4y ago

If you want a keyboard, you can pick up an old 90s rompler for around that price. Love the keybed and build quality on my alesis qs6, but I just use it as a midi controller. If you just want knobs and sliders, look at something like a used notation launch control xl. If you want a full midi controller with keys, knobs, sliders, pads, maybe mpk mini? Nothing modern will have nice keys in that price range, though. Plug in to your phone/iPad/laptop, download synth one or surge xl, spend some time mapping and away you go. $100 is not a reasonable price point for good hardware that actually makes its own sounds, but who needs it when you have a super computer in your pocket.

elevaet 4y ago
I second everything parent said ^ You'll get a lot more utility and value out of software these days, but if you really want a hardware synth, the non-trendy 90s romplers can carry you far. If you want something with knobs and analogue circuitry look out for some of Behringer's recent offerings on the used market. TD-3 is a reliable clone of the absolutely classic TB-303 and can be scored for under $100.

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brudgers 4y ago

I asked HN a related question. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27822489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27822489 I started with SynthOne on my iPhone. Recently bought an Arturia MiniLab Mk II and am running Ableton live-lite it was bundled with on my laptops. <$100. More recently I bought a used Mbox II audio interface. An eBay bargain. Still more recently a Moog Werkstatt, Adorama had/has them for $149 because they’re closeout. And because it is a fn Moog. And of course more cables came in today’s mail because…well because it is probably a hobby…if it isn’t a hobby it will do until a hobby shows up.

djaychela 4y ago

You probably won't get something worthwhile for that money, alas. If you can get a secondhand behringer recreation of a classic synth at the right money, you might be close. I've taught music technology for over 20 years, and getting a simple subtractive synth and playing with it is the best way to learn this kind of thing. The temptation is always to get something vast and massively complex (as the presets will sound amazing), but in terms of learning how to actually program a synth, a basic one is way better. Something like the Roland SH-101 (which behringer have made a copy of) will let you understand all the elements of it that you can then translate to the complex structures of larger synths. I find cherry audio's voltage modular a great learning tool, if you take the right (basics first) approach - as it can get very complex very quickly otherwise!

gmueckl 4y ago
If you're going with software eurorack emulations as a didactic tool, VCV rack should be pointed out, too. The standalone version is open source: https://vcvrack.com https://vcvrack.com The basic modules that are included let you form the core of subtractive synthesis. Having them available as isolated, wired up building blocks is a very visual help in understanding how they relate.

namero999 4y ago

Korg nts-1. Same audio processing of a minilogue in a raw pcb factor. you might need an external midi controller to fully unleash it's power but those are cheap, used.

herewulf 4y ago

Related question: Any synths/MIDI controllers that show musical scales? Maybe with LEDs or something? I was dabbling in LMMS some time ago and it has an option to show scales but it's slow to enter and experiment with notes with the mouse. No, I can't be bothered to learn piano scales. I expended my mental capacity for it on guitar already.

malteof 4y ago
> No, I can't be bothered to learn piano scales. I expended my mental capacity for it on guitar already. It’s a lot easier on the piano. The keys are laid out as sheet music, very convenient if you know a bit of music theory.
scarecrowbob 4y ago
I have a couple of groovebox-style machines (Korg Electrobe 2, Novation circuit) and they will let you select a scale and then the pads are locked to that scale. And then the internal synth and the MIDI out will just be in that scale/key. I don't find it super useful-- I'm not bad at pianos/keys, but it does simplify note input quite a bit if that's what you're looking for.
adzm 4y ago
Well if you just keep to the key of C you can just play white keys. Some controllers have transposition settings on them! If not you can use a midi effect in your daw to transpose to another key, too. But really if you can already do things on guitar then piano will beat lot easier and probably even help your guitar technique as well.
fassssst 4y ago
Try a Launchpad X. It lights up all the pads that are part of a scale.

elsherbini 4y ago

The Korg Minilogue is a really good beginner synth. It has a what you see is what you get interface, and even has an an oscilliscope which relly helps starting out. Here's a video plugging this as a great beginner's synth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7EvKYTs4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE7EvKYTs4I if you look at the recently sold on reverb, you see you can get one for ~$300 or ~$350. https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Korg%20Minilogue&show_only_sold=true&sort=published_at%7Cdesc https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Korg%20Minilogue&show_o...

AlecSchueler 4y ago
What do you use the oscilloscope for? I saw a video yesterday from the 60s where someone was using one and it occurred me that in 20 years of music production I've never used one myself. What am I missing?
- zdkl 4y ago
  Visual validation that your filters/effects are having the intended effect?
- kennywinker 4y ago
  When you’re not used to processing sound and figuring out what is happening, translating that into the more familiar visual domain can be useful. You see the sharp points on a sawtooth wave, and realize that’s why it’s buzzy. Then you close the filter and watch the sharp points get rounded out and hear the buzzyness fade. In my experience, after I got better at mentally processing sound I started to want spectrum analysis more than a scope, because my brain was able to do a lot of what the scope was doing for me earlier - but I was still missing the birds-eye view of a spectrum analyzer.

bodge5000 4y ago

PO-28 would be my go to. Its pretty limited in what it can do (though for the money that makes sense), but what it does it does fantastically, better than a lot of hard or soft synths I've seen for 10x that (imo, the pocket operator keypad is much more intuative than a standard keyboard). Soft synths will of course be more affordable, you can get renoise for less than your budget which is a whole DAW. But I do recognise the appeal of hardware, no matter how many soft synths I buy it can't fill that hole for me either lol

kabes 4y ago

Behringer typically has good value for the money. They have a couple of mini synths (e.g. behringer model D soul) which is exactly $100. The behringer neutron is around $300, so you may find it around $150 used, and it's incredible value for that money.

kennywinker 4y ago
The soul line isn’t shipping yet, supposedly due to chip availability - but I suspect actually because they announce things before they’re done and ship based on enthusiasm/reaction.

fab1an 4y ago

I'd suggest to get a really great hardware synth to learn on - if you don't like it, the secondary market is usually active enough to sell it at minimal loss, and if you do like it, you immediately have a really nice instrument. If you just want to learn monophonic synthesis with an amazing sounding synth, geta Moog Grandmother for around 1k. You can buy used and sell used, too.

adzm 4y ago

Honestly on a budget your best bet is to get a midi controller and hook it up to your computer as a soft synth. You'll be able to do a lot more even though it might take a bit of setup. It's hard to get a good hardware synth at such a low price but you can get a relatively good controller -- some even come with Ableton Lite.

fassssst 4y ago
Yea a cheap controller like an Akai MPK Mini is a good place to start. There are great free DAWs like Studio One or GarageBand that you can use with soft synths. I highly recommend Serum as a soft synth to learn from because it’s extremely visual.
- ace2358 4y ago
  Don’t forget vital for a free and I think open source clone of serum https://vital.audio/ https://vital.audio/

kcrx 4y ago

check out the korg volca line. The volca fm 2 is about to be my first hardware synth. It’s $170 new, so you can probably find something close to your budget used.

martingoodson 4y ago

Behringer TD-3-RD Analog Bass Line Synthesizer Model 15 Modular Synthesizer App (not hardware but close to the experience and sounds great)

prova_modena 4y ago
TD-3 is awesome but definitely a gateway drug purchase. I got one shortly after Roland's web-based synth recreations were posted on HN. Immediately wanted some sort of drum machine to go along with it. Now I also have an Elektron model:cycles, a mixer and an effects pedal, as well as a ton of cables slowly taking over my desk.

nonstickcoating 4y ago

You could also look at the cheaper Arturia synth. I really like how they sound (though AFAIK a lot of people don't - maybe take a listen to some Demos on YouTube) and find them decently intuitive for a beginner. The microbrute for example comes with a small patchbay (be careful of the modular rabbit hole though). A cursory search suggests prices between 150 and 200€ (sorry, to lazy to do conversion since I'm on Mobile). I only played with the Behringer clones a little at a friend's place. They sound totally fine, I think Arturia's build quality is way better, though. They have the benefit of being clones of popular (some may say famous) synth like the Moog Model D or the Roland 303, so they have a familiar sound.