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I root against rust because of its annoying evangelists (not calling this article that but the more general behaviour of the rust community).

by avl999 4y ago

alimov 4y ago
I think this is a common reaction to <insert thing> being evangelized. I can’t say it’s a good approach to deciding whether or not something is worthwhile or good or w.e, but maybe it’s better this way because it means that when the thing being evangelized doesn’t pan out, not everyone is caught up in the aftermath. That being said, I don’t have anything against Rust or the community, and if it’s a good tool for <job> then it will succeed with or without me or you. Personally I’m interested in how it’s progressing. Edit: as with many things it’s not right to say that the loudest voices in the room are the community. It could be that this is the behavior you are seeing because somehow it’s managing to get people worked up or engaged in some other way on social media you use, and you find that annoying. If you don’t want to learn the language and engage with the community then you don’t have to, but calling the whole community annoying because people are excited about what they are doing and what they’ve learned and the possibilities they see is… ehhh
galangalalgol 4y ago
I get your point, the community annoys me too, but I was a true believer for a while too and I understand they are just trying to share what made them happy. I root against it sometimes because it feels like its getting so complicated. But mostly I root for it because I have written c++ for a living since before it had an official standard and while the newer standards are better, the compiler refuses to protect me from people who do truly horrific yet subtle things.
smt88 4y ago
How is it valuable to attack people you don't even see on this thread? A great way to reduce the annoyance of evangelists is to ignore them, not conjure them up in a place you admit they are not even ruining.
oshi_kuru__ 4y ago
1. If the tool is a good fit, why bother with annoying evangelists? 2. I agree, Rust has by far the most (falsely and misleading) advertising about the usage, politics and evangelism going on of all languages around. It annoys me as well. Especially the passive aggressive bullying of Go. 3. Large parts of the Rust community are not acting that way but are friendly and give balanced advice. 4. Focus on the good parts: The language is a good fit for many applications and large parts of the community are great - /r/rust is a good place for example.

I root against rust because of its annoying evangelists (not calling this article that but the more general behaviour of the rust community).

by avl999 4y ago

I root against rust because of its annoying evangelists (not calling this article that but the more general behaviour of the rust community).

alimov 4y ago

I think this is a common reaction to <insert thing> being evangelized. I can’t say it’s a good approach to deciding whether or not something is worthwhile or good or w.e, but maybe it’s better this way because it means that when the thing being evangelized doesn’t pan out, not everyone is caught up in the aftermath. That being said, I don’t have anything against Rust or the community, and if it’s a good tool for <job> then it will succeed with or without me or you. Personally I’m interested in how it’s progressing. Edit: as with many things it’s not right to say that the loudest voices in the room are the community. It could be that this is the behavior you are seeing because somehow it’s managing to get people worked up or engaged in some other way on social media you use, and you find that annoying. If you don’t want to learn the language and engage with the community then you don’t have to, but calling the whole community annoying because people are excited about what they are doing and what they’ve learned and the possibilities they see is… ehhh

galangalalgol 4y ago

I get your point, the community annoys me too, but I was a true believer for a while too and I understand they are just trying to share what made them happy. I root against it sometimes because it feels like its getting so complicated. But mostly I root for it because I have written c++ for a living since before it had an official standard and while the newer standards are better, the compiler refuses to protect me from people who do truly horrific yet subtle things.

smt88 4y ago

How is it valuable to attack people you don't even see on this thread? A great way to reduce the annoyance of evangelists is to ignore them, not conjure them up in a place you admit they are not even ruining.

oshi_kuru__ 4y ago

1. If the tool is a good fit, why bother with annoying evangelists? 2. I agree, Rust has by far the most (falsely and misleading) advertising about the usage, politics and evangelism going on of all languages around. It annoys me as well. Especially the passive aggressive bullying of Go. 3. Large parts of the Rust community are not acting that way but are friendly and give balanced advice. 4. Focus on the good parts: The language is a good fit for many applications and large parts of the community are great - /r/rust is a good place for example.