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> No one said it "justified" the theft. Nor did I say that anyone said that it "justified" the theft. What I said was that that line of argumentation "sounds l

> No one said it "justified" the theft. Nor did I say that anyone said that it "justified" the theft. What I said was that that line of argumentation "sounds like an a posteriori justification for stealing".

teawrecks 4y ago
So to sum it up this exchange: Person1: A You: This sounds like B, which is fallacious. Person2: A You: Again...this sounds like B, which is fallacious. Me: No one is claiming B You: I never said anyone claimed B. I said this sounds like B. Sound about right?
- Ansil849 4y ago
  > Sound about right? Yup, with the added bit: If you're not claiming that A is like B, then what's the point of you bringing up A to the discussion, at all?
  - teawrecks 4y ago
    When an object is stolen from a cache which was otherwise destroyed, 1) that is by definition a statistical anomaly, and 2) it may contain information from a time/place that is otherwise irrecoverable, which could make it valuable. Between these two facts, I think it would be way weirder if everyone quietly ignored the historical record of a specific artifact just because it was stolen. Imagine walking through a museum with a tour guide who is able to give mounds of information about every piece on display, until you ask them about a certain bust, and they say "oh we don't talk about the history of that piece" and you say "why not?" and he says "because it's not relevant". Be honest, what you're actually saying is, "this information isn't relevant TO ME."
    - Ansil849 4y ago
      I feel like there's some misunderstanding here. I am not at all advocating that the fact that objects had been stolen be suppressed. I'm advocating for the explicit opposite. What I am, however, saying, is that I find it odd that museums are allowed to keep these stolen artefacts, while the woman in the OP was not.
      - teawrecks 4y ago
        Can I recommend a podcast called 'Stuff the British Stole' by Marc Fenell (aka 'That Movie ... Guy'). It looks at exactly this, including situations where an artefact only exists _because_ it was stolen. http://www.marcfennell.com/stolen http://www.marcfennell.com/stolen (Sorry I couldn't find the RSS feed)
  - labster 4y ago
    Guys, what about C?

teawrecks 4y ago

So to sum it up this exchange: Person1: A You: This sounds like B, which is fallacious. Person2: A You: Again...this sounds like B, which is fallacious. Me: No one is claiming B You: I never said anyone claimed B. I said this sounds like B. Sound about right?

Ansil849 4y ago
> Sound about right? Yup, with the added bit: If you're not claiming that A is like B, then what's the point of you bringing up A to the discussion, at all?
- teawrecks 4y ago
  When an object is stolen from a cache which was otherwise destroyed, 1) that is by definition a statistical anomaly, and 2) it may contain information from a time/place that is otherwise irrecoverable, which could make it valuable. Between these two facts, I think it would be way weirder if everyone quietly ignored the historical record of a specific artifact just because it was stolen. Imagine walking through a museum with a tour guide who is able to give mounds of information about every piece on display, until you ask them about a certain bust, and they say "oh we don't talk about the history of that piece" and you say "why not?" and he says "because it's not relevant". Be honest, what you're actually saying is, "this information isn't relevant TO ME."
  - Ansil849 4y ago
    I feel like there's some misunderstanding here. I am not at all advocating that the fact that objects had been stolen be suppressed. I'm advocating for the explicit opposite. What I am, however, saying, is that I find it odd that museums are allowed to keep these stolen artefacts, while the woman in the OP was not.
    - teawrecks 4y ago
      Can I recommend a podcast called 'Stuff the British Stole' by Marc Fenell (aka 'That Movie ... Guy'). It looks at exactly this, including situations where an artefact only exists _because_ it was stolen. http://www.marcfennell.com/stolen http://www.marcfennell.com/stolen (Sorry I couldn't find the RSS feed)
- labster 4y ago
  Guys, what about C?