Both of these are perfectly fair to object to! But they're not solely relegated to religion; both of those issues also show up all the time in secular circles.

Both of these are perfectly fair to object to! But they're not solely relegated to religion; both of those issues also show up all the time in secular circles. Back to politics, QAnon is an obvious example, but even something as 'comparatively' sane as trickle down economics suffers both of those as well (for the first, "it's not working" - "we just have to cut rich peoples' taxes more! And quit spending so much on social services!"; for the second, "we should tax the rich more and spend it on social services" "What are you, some sort of socialist?! This is -America-, the best goddamn country in the world! Love it or leave it!").