> C coders like C to the exclusion of all else, or they would have abandoned it long ago. Hare will not be picking up any substantial number of C coders. I agr

> C coders like C to the exclusion of all else, or they would have abandoned it long ago. Hare will not be picking up any substantial number of C coders. I agree. And for that matter, see a lot of the same for Zig too. Hardcore C coders have learned to live with it or have incurable Stockholm syndrome and stay despite of the situation. I believe it's really a matter of programmers who are newer (younger), casual, or part-time at it (like various people in IT or security) that are looking for more convenient alternatives. In that case, things are more wide open. They could pick Go, Odin, Vlang, Hare... just as easily as they could pick up Zig. There are many "better C" alternatives vying for position. It could shift so easily. As for Nim, I think they have a certain level of guaranteed "lock-in" for being so Python-like and seen as an alternative to it. How far that will take them, remains to be seen. Same for Rust, they have "safety" to play on, and the backing of Mozilla that added wind to their sails. > The normal fate of any new language, absent The Miracle, is to fizzle. It is the certain fate of any language that brings nothing compelling to the table. True.