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I've contemplated a sort of 'minimally offensive' register of language where you do remove any and all pronouns (that is, the ones someone might object to, alon
by mgdlbp 4y ago
I've contemplated a sort of 'minimally offensive' register of language where you do remove any and all pronouns (that is, the ones someone might object to, along with all other language that might be objected to) while being as natural as possible so that no one notices your lack of usage of any bit of language (though someone analysing the corpus of your writing certainly would). Seems like a technique a corporation seeking to avoid controversy would employ, though I suppose by its very nature I wouldn't notice if one were successful in doing so!
I always find it interesting to consider other languages when discussing things like this. It's generally easy to eliminate arbitrary words from your personal dialect, but grammatical gender can't be so simply ignored in most Indo-European languages, nor can it be eliminated, the status quo of gender agreement (e.g., of adjectives and the nouns they modify) being a crucial part of the evolved flow of information in each natural language.
However, I still think there's an 'elegant' resolution, which is to consider grammatical gender as 'yet another noun class system'. You can then, in a language-neutral way, move all people (optionally also animals, etc.) to one grammatical gender (now we argue over whether the 'one gender' should be the existing masculine or feminine--not all languages have the neuter!). All other words would retain current their grammatical genders (and m/f/n might be renamed to something like class 1/2/3). Words for people (e.g., man/woman) could also be moved, but don't have to, since their noun classes would now be entirely orthogonal to people's gender.
This is still too large of a change to convince people to actually adopt, but it's certainly more reasonable than the drastic alternative and more elegant IMO than the other proposals I've seen. Plus, it was never the case that grammatical genders could be always be made to agree (take, for example, two nouns of differing gender in apposition or coreference), and there's already a case like this in the German 'Mädchen' ("girl"). As a diminutive, it's grammatically neuter, so words modifying it also take the neuter. Distant anaphors formally also do, but colloquially they're often feminine.
- munk-a 4y agoI think that would probably end up with us in a generally better place from a technical perspective than reusing the gender neutral pronouns but given how aggressive some people have been at misgendering folks I think it'd take a rather long time to actually gain adoption. Additionally, unlike say German, there isn't really any standard board of English and it's an international language so getting countries to actually agree to such a change seems difficult. I also, honestly, don't think it'd be significantly more difficult to switch each gender over to he or she than to use one of the novel pronouns like "ye" or "xhe" though pronunciation would take a while to normalize. Themselves/themself is a bit tricky (as pointed out in a sibling thread) but they are tools that exist today and are pretty serviceable - I really don't think you could put "And thus has Eliza Callahan suddenly found themselves a poet with a lot more name recognition among tech workers." in front of anyone and get genuine confusion about what I was saying back - it's perfectly legible, even if some of the grammar might be off.
- bbhunt 4y ago> Seems like a technique a corporation seeking to avoid controversy would employ I expect it would backfire quickly, as people notice their attempts at language modification and this rapidly becomes controversial in itself. Sort of similar to the uproar over using purportedly gender-neutral language to discuss women's reproductive issues, as we've seen recently in discussions on Roe v. Wade - women being referred to as "birthing bodies", "pregnant people" and suchlike. Which of course many find to be offensively dehumanizing or an example of female erasure.