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Regarding 1, The Guardian, a UK based publication, was one of the main ones behind the Snowden interviews and reporting, so it seems to be a bogus claim.

by sofixa 5y ago

dijit 5y ago
I do sincerely hope you're joking; the guardian got absolutely crucified by the british government at that time. Their HQ was stormed by police along with forced compliance of the destruction of information: https://www.techdirt.com/2013/08/19/uk-govt-forces-guardian-to-destroy-hard-drives-with-snowden-info-guardian-says-reporting-continues-ny/ https://www.techdirt.com/2013/08/19/uk-govt-forces-guardian-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden-gchq-visit-guardian-destroy-computers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden... That said; in theory D-Notice's are voluntary, but non-compliance is vaguely threatened with "increased scrutiny". D-Notices themselves are not exactly secret; they even get a mention in the movie V For Vendetta.
- sofixa 5y ago
  The claim is > It says the UK media largely ignored the Snowden leaks due to a D-Notice The Guardian might have been "crucified" for their reporting, but they did report on it.
  - DeWilde 5y ago
    Police raids are usually enough to dissuade most people. That might be the reason why they were ignored.
  - dijit 5y ago
    > > It says the UK media largely ignored the Snowden leaks due to a D-Notice > The Guardian might have been "crucified" for their reporting, but they did report on it. a few things; 1) "largely ignored" does not mean universally ignored, 1 outlet reporting on it does not mean that the "large majority" of british media didn't ignore the leaks. 2) Guardian didn't ignore the d-notice either, they made a choice to die on that hill, and they were dragged through the coals for it. D-Notices' are supposedly voluntary, otherwise there would be more outrage. 3) this serves as a warning to the other outlets. 4) the guardian was already in reporting and disseminating the contents directly with Snowden before the d-notice was issued.
    - Sporktacular 5y ago
      So you agree that saying the UK media largely ignored the Snowden story is incorrect? As mentioned The Guardian was one of the principle outlets of the disclosures led by Ewen MacAskill. The Guardian ignored the D-Notices and survives to this day - both facts undermine the point of the article that the system breaks independent British journalism. This article stinks, is there any way to downvote it any further?

Regarding 1, The Guardian, a UK based publication, was one of the main ones behind the Snowden interviews and reporting, so it seems to be a bogus claim.

by sofixa 5y ago

Regarding 1, The Guardian, a UK based publication, was one of the main ones behind the Snowden interviews and reporting, so it seems to be a bogus claim.

dijit 5y ago

I do sincerely hope you're joking; the guardian got absolutely crucified by the british government at that time. Their HQ was stormed by police along with forced compliance of the destruction of information: https://www.techdirt.com/2013/08/19/uk-govt-forces-guardian-to-destroy-hard-drives-with-snowden-info-guardian-says-reporting-continues-ny/ https://www.techdirt.com/2013/08/19/uk-govt-forces-guardian-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden-gchq-visit-guardian-destroy-computers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/edward-snowden... That said; in theory D-Notice's are voluntary, but non-compliance is vaguely threatened with "increased scrutiny". D-Notices themselves are not exactly secret; they even get a mention in the movie V For Vendetta.

sofixa 5y ago
The claim is > It says the UK media largely ignored the Snowden leaks due to a D-Notice The Guardian might have been "crucified" for their reporting, but they did report on it.
- DeWilde 5y ago
  Police raids are usually enough to dissuade most people. That might be the reason why they were ignored.
- dijit 5y ago
  > > It says the UK media largely ignored the Snowden leaks due to a D-Notice > The Guardian might have been "crucified" for their reporting, but they did report on it. a few things; 1) "largely ignored" does not mean universally ignored, 1 outlet reporting on it does not mean that the "large majority" of british media didn't ignore the leaks. 2) Guardian didn't ignore the d-notice either, they made a choice to die on that hill, and they were dragged through the coals for it. D-Notices' are supposedly voluntary, otherwise there would be more outrage. 3) this serves as a warning to the other outlets. 4) the guardian was already in reporting and disseminating the contents directly with Snowden before the d-notice was issued.
  - Sporktacular 5y ago
    So you agree that saying the UK media largely ignored the Snowden story is incorrect? As mentioned The Guardian was one of the principle outlets of the disclosures led by Ewen MacAskill. The Guardian ignored the D-Notices and survives to this day - both facts undermine the point of the article that the system breaks independent British journalism. This article stinks, is there any way to downvote it any further?