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> Its not what we have in academia. If you are blind to this then you are either in a very sheltered environment or you're part of the problem. We haven't bui

by j-pb 4y ago

> Its not what we have in academia. If you are blind to this then you are either in a very sheltered environment or you're part of the problem. We haven't build such a system yet, which is exactly the critique OP had. The broken funding process based on citation count and journal impact deincentivizes building and participating in such a system. It's all self enforcing with the publishers reaping in billions. It took years till european academia finally started to rebell against elsevier, and even now open access gets sabotaged by golden path open access publishing.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
If web of trust was a workable system, i wouod have been used in some industry by now - engineering, law, anything. But you criticism is based on a fantastical benchmark that was never seen in practice
- j-pb 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust OpenPGP for example.
  - na85 4y ago
    OpenPGP's web of trust model is broken at the fundamental level.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Oh, you think its functuonal? Send an email signed with openPGP to your bank, can they validate your signature? Have you ever tried to get an OpenPGP key to sign your email, do you know what a nightmare it is? Because i have, and I couldn't, I have also built kubernetes clusters from scratch, and it's easier. Okay, say you got a key, send it to your IT department, what % of IT proffeshionals can use OpenPGP, 2%? What % of 'normal people' can use it, 0%? That is your great success, 0-2%. That's way worse than the system academia has now, it might be crap, but its not 98% crap
    - j-pb 4y ago
      You asked for a successfull web of trust, not a great example of an encrypted email client.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        How is it succesfull? What did it succeed at? I just outlined how no-one is using it and no-one is capable of using it. What is the metric and benchmark of success you are using where OpenPGP with it's 0% adoption is successfull, but the way academia works currently is not successfull?

by j-pb 4y ago

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

If web of trust was a workable system, i wouod have been used in some industry by now - engineering, law, anything. But you criticism is based on a fantastical benchmark that was never seen in practice

j-pb 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust OpenPGP for example.
- na85 4y ago
  OpenPGP's web of trust model is broken at the fundamental level.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Oh, you think its functuonal? Send an email signed with openPGP to your bank, can they validate your signature? Have you ever tried to get an OpenPGP key to sign your email, do you know what a nightmare it is? Because i have, and I couldn't, I have also built kubernetes clusters from scratch, and it's easier. Okay, say you got a key, send it to your IT department, what % of IT proffeshionals can use OpenPGP, 2%? What % of 'normal people' can use it, 0%? That is your great success, 0-2%. That's way worse than the system academia has now, it might be crap, but its not 98% crap
  - j-pb 4y ago
    You asked for a successfull web of trust, not a great example of an encrypted email client.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      How is it succesfull? What did it succeed at? I just outlined how no-one is using it and no-one is capable of using it. What is the metric and benchmark of success you are using where OpenPGP with it's 0% adoption is successfull, but the way academia works currently is not successfull?