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If you don't like them storing your data, then don't go on the site. They won't have it if you don't give it to them.

estel 15y ago
One might still wish to benefit from some of the undoubtedly useful aspects of Facebook without needlessly surrendering various rights to their data as enshrined in European law.
- nordsieck 15y ago
  One might wish to eat one's cake and have it too. Not all wishes are reasonable.
  - rhizome 15y ago
    Are you referring to Facebook wanting to operate under US laws in other countries?
  - estel 15y ago
    "Expect this company that I'm dealing with to act within the law" is almost always reasonable.
    - nordsieck 15y ago
      Yes. But it is not reasonable to expect every (legal) service to be offered in every legal/regulatory environment. This is not to say that Facebook will not or should not offer its services in Europe. Simply that there are possible legal environments where Facebook would be legally allowed to offer its services, but where it would be economically unsustainable for it to do so... and that it is often quite difficult to understand these sorts of effects ahead of time. Edit: clarification
Natsu 15y ago
One of the complaints is that they have profiles on people who are not users. They can get other people to give them information about you. Specifically, have a look at complaint #2: "Shadow Profiles. Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users." http://europe-v-facebook.org/Compalint_02_Shadow_Profiles.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Compalint_02_Shadow_Profiles.pd... http://europe-v-facebook.org/02_Shaddow_Profiles.zip http://europe-v-facebook.org/02_Shaddow_Profiles.zip
- slowpoke 15y ago
  This. It's the most important thing to stretch by far. One can definitely argue about whether or not people using Facebook should be allowed to complain that they are giving their data to them. I do not use Facebook. They still try to get my data. Well, they would if they could, and wouldn't be shitlisted by at least four layers of filters (NoScript, Ghostery, AdBlock, RequestPolicy). Still, I can't block Facebook trying to get people to identify me on photos I might happen to be on. While pretty much anyone I am closer acquainted to knows that we'd be through if they'd ever put pictures of me on Facebook, I can't control this for obvious reasons. I can't control photos taken of me on, for example, concerts, either. It's this loss of control that worries me the most. What I am also concerned about is the fact that people who are not aware of the dangers that Facebook poses might learn one day - and then there will be no way to correct their mistakes anymore. Finally, I am deeply anxious about the future of the net if stupid ideas like the Facebook login gain traction. I don't want to see a web where Facebook or Google are mandatory to do anything useful. It's already extremely disturbing how much of the net runs on stuff made by Google. This amount of dependency on a single, commercial entity is insanity, no matter how persistently they might insist on their "Don't be evil" policy.
  - Natsu 15y ago
    The fun thing about tags is that you can't remove them unless you join Facebook. And one of the complaints is that removed tags aren't removed, but made non-public. These two points are raised in complaints #3 and #11: http://europe-v-facebook.org/Complaint_03_Tagging.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Complaint_03_Tagging.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Comlaint_11_RemovalOfTags.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Comlaint_11_RemovalOfTags.pdf
sp332 15y ago
That's not true. If you visit any website with a "Like" button, FB will track you even if you don't click it. If you use Spotify, FB will get a record of your music even if you don't visit the site.

estel 15y ago

One might still wish to benefit from some of the undoubtedly useful aspects of Facebook without needlessly surrendering various rights to their data as enshrined in European law.

nordsieck 15y ago
One might wish to eat one's cake and have it too. Not all wishes are reasonable.
- rhizome 15y ago
  Are you referring to Facebook wanting to operate under US laws in other countries?
- estel 15y ago
  "Expect this company that I'm dealing with to act within the law" is almost always reasonable.
  - nordsieck 15y ago
    Yes. But it is not reasonable to expect every (legal) service to be offered in every legal/regulatory environment. This is not to say that Facebook will not or should not offer its services in Europe. Simply that there are possible legal environments where Facebook would be legally allowed to offer its services, but where it would be economically unsustainable for it to do so... and that it is often quite difficult to understand these sorts of effects ahead of time. Edit: clarification

Natsu 15y ago

One of the complaints is that they have profiles on people who are not users. They can get other people to give them information about you. Specifically, have a look at complaint #2: "Shadow Profiles. Facebook is collecting data about people without their knowledge. This information is used to substitute existing profiles and to create profiles of non-users." http://europe-v-facebook.org/Compalint_02_Shadow_Profiles.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Compalint_02_Shadow_Profiles.pd... http://europe-v-facebook.org/02_Shaddow_Profiles.zip http://europe-v-facebook.org/02_Shaddow_Profiles.zip

slowpoke 15y ago
This. It's the most important thing to stretch by far. One can definitely argue about whether or not people using Facebook should be allowed to complain that they are giving their data to them. I do not use Facebook. They still try to get my data. Well, they would if they could, and wouldn't be shitlisted by at least four layers of filters (NoScript, Ghostery, AdBlock, RequestPolicy). Still, I can't block Facebook trying to get people to identify me on photos I might happen to be on. While pretty much anyone I am closer acquainted to knows that we'd be through if they'd ever put pictures of me on Facebook, I can't control this for obvious reasons. I can't control photos taken of me on, for example, concerts, either. It's this loss of control that worries me the most. What I am also concerned about is the fact that people who are not aware of the dangers that Facebook poses might learn one day - and then there will be no way to correct their mistakes anymore. Finally, I am deeply anxious about the future of the net if stupid ideas like the Facebook login gain traction. I don't want to see a web where Facebook or Google are mandatory to do anything useful. It's already extremely disturbing how much of the net runs on stuff made by Google. This amount of dependency on a single, commercial entity is insanity, no matter how persistently they might insist on their "Don't be evil" policy.
- Natsu 15y ago
  The fun thing about tags is that you can't remove them unless you join Facebook. And one of the complaints is that removed tags aren't removed, but made non-public. These two points are raised in complaints #3 and #11: http://europe-v-facebook.org/Complaint_03_Tagging.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Complaint_03_Tagging.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Comlaint_11_RemovalOfTags.pdf http://europe-v-facebook.org/Comlaint_11_RemovalOfTags.pdf

sp332 15y ago

That's not true. If you visit any website with a "Like" button, FB will track you even if you don't click it. If you use Spotify, FB will get a record of your music even if you don't visit the site.