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> I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc this is very bad, the problem is

> I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc this is very bad, the problem is not tiktok, she finds an escape thanks to tiktok, don't remove that from her talk to her, talk to her teacher if she doesn't have problems at school with other kids > Our kids are being milked of their time, attention, imagination, focus and money. The majority of them can't even cross the streets properly any more. They don't even look if the drivers saw them, they all have a phone in hand. that's an education problem, it is your fault, not theirs or some apps

Loughla 4y ago
>that's an education problem, it is your fault, not theirs or some apps Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? We've taken a hard-line stance with our kids and have explained/educated them on every aspect of social media, attention, and addictive programs. And we're still losing the fight. I genuinely think people massively underestimate how addictive many apps are, especially to developing minds that are constantly seeking novelty.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  > Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses if you ban tiktok today, tomorrow will appear a new one, embrace them for what they are, social communication mediums, and educate your kids with the problems and how they can avoid them, and to contact you in case they face them the reason they are finding an escape through them and not thought you is because you are hostile to the way they communicate with their friends, and if you add the pandemic to the bags, it is easy to understand why they are using it more often trying to push an agenda, and using "teen mental health" as an excuse is disgusting student loan, much deadlier, and nobody gives a shit facebook? deadlier from 7 to 77, and nobody gives a shit, but tiktok? all of a sudden, it's the evil ;) because you can't spread your propaganda? politic or commercial? how sad! teens and young adult too busy spreading positivity on tiktok, we must fight!
  - _aavaa_ 4y ago
    > facebook? deadlier from 7 to 77, and nobody gives a shit, but tiktok? all of a sudden, it's the evil ;) I don't think that's true at all. Facebook and tiktok are bad for you in their own ways and I'd be willing to bet that many of the people who rail against TikTok's detrimental effects railed and continue to rail against Facebook.
  - chimen 4y ago
    > not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses The issue is being taken care of don't worry, no excuses, straight from the root. > the reason they are finding an escape through them and not thought you is because you are hostile to the way they communicate with their friends I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagues. I just weed out crap that she is not prepared for, the addictive one. I do not find here prepared, at 10 years of age, to deal with crap like likes, followers, reactions, views or other meaningless measurements that put thousands into mental hospitals.
    - Shadonototra 4y ago
      > I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagues. I just weed out crap that she is not prepared for, the addictive one. you contradict yourself, youtube has shorts wich is just like tiktok.. on top of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers/channels/private messages/google profile etc wow, scary btw!.. on top of mature content!! "shh..must fight tiktok!!" so the problem is US apps vs Chinese app? > I do not find here prepared, at 10 years of age, to deal with crap like likes, followers, reactions, views or other meaningless measurements that put thousands into mental hospitals. and the problem is here, your kid is 10yo https://www.tiktok.com/safety/en/guardians-guide/ https://www.tiktok.com/safety/en/guardians-guide/ > To sign up for TikTok, you must first pass through an age gate to get you into the right TikTok experience. In the US, if you’re under 13 years old, you’ll be placed into our TikTok for Younger Users experience which has additional privacy and safety protections designed specifically for this audience. If we learn that a person under the age of 13 is using or posting content on TikTok without using TikTok for Younger Users, they will be removed. > TikTok can be downloaded from the App Store, Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, and other official application platforms. We’ve given the app a 12+ rating specifically so caregivers can access the device-level Apple and Android controls built into your family’s devices. If you don’t want your teen to download our app, you can prevent them from doing so using the parental controls available via these stores. if she addicted, she probably started to consume tiktok prior to her 10'th year, parental issue here you should have set up screen time so she don't spent all her time on her phone the best way to create problems btw, is to cut addictions overnight
chimen 4y ago
I'm happily willing to show you a multitude of heroin/cocaine/meth/[insert other drug here] which were very well educated, schooled and taken care of - stop putting education that high. Addiction is not an escape. There are many forms an "escape" can take and TikTok is not one that I'm willing to accept because it creates addiction, one that is intelligently designed to eat her free time WHOLE so no, I will not take your advice on it. She can "escape" with a bike, with friends outside, with her dogs, with her drawings, dressing, swimming, snowboarding or many other healthy things she was taught to.
navjack27 4y ago
I completely agree with it being an education problem and like... I treat my YouTube watching or online media watching in a way where I would make fun of myself if I allowed myself to be controlled by the thing so I don't allow myself to put myself in situations where I would mock myself if that makes any remote sense. I think it's silly to not be in control of the things that I feed myself digitally or otherwise. It is a state to be mocked. I don't want to call myself "some dumb nerd" so I don't allow myself to be called that by acting dumb. It sounds really maybe abusive but it might be a way to get under the skin of your child if you don't warn them about these things in a soft kind manner but in a way like "you wanna look like a dork with no control? You know while your friends do this stuff but like they don't have control. Don't you want control? Isn't that why you are watching this stuff? Because you have anxiety and you don't have control over things? So , why don't you take control and not watch the things that all of these devices and services serve you and go do something a whole lot better with your time?"
- chimen 4y ago
  And what's your next move once you explained that and still find them "escaping" for hours in these meaningless apps? Do you have children? How many being teenagers? Can you explain in a "soft kind manner" to an addict that they should just quit? You can fight it pro-actively or re-actively. I prefer the former as, at least, prevents the addiction from even forming. Please identify a smoker in your close circle and explain in a "soft manner" to them how that thing causes cancer, lowers life expectancy, increases heart rate and all the jazz that we are sure of - scary stuff. Report back if they quit. I cannot be in total control and I do NOT want that but, at least, I'm not putting cigarettes on the table myself because that's what this is.
  - Shadonototra 4y ago
    - make it illegal to gather data/track/serve ads in apps for users -18 - make it illegal to offer microtransactions in apps for users -18 there, you fix half of the problems, no longer companies will make their app addictive to teens then up to the parents to regulate screen time for their kids

Loughla 4y ago

>that's an education problem, it is your fault, not theirs or some apps Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? We've taken a hard-line stance with our kids and have explained/educated them on every aspect of social media, attention, and addictive programs. And we're still losing the fight. I genuinely think people massively underestimate how addictive many apps are, especially to developing minds that are constantly seeking novelty.

Shadonototra 4y ago
> Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses if you ban tiktok today, tomorrow will appear a new one, embrace them for what they are, social communication mediums, and educate your kids with the problems and how they can avoid them, and to contact you in case they face them the reason they are finding an escape through them and not thought you is because you are hostile to the way they communicate with their friends, and if you add the pandemic to the bags, it is easy to understand why they are using it more often trying to push an agenda, and using "teen mental health" as an excuse is disgusting student loan, much deadlier, and nobody gives a shit facebook? deadlier from 7 to 77, and nobody gives a shit, but tiktok? all of a sudden, it's the evil ;) because you can't spread your propaganda? politic or commercial? how sad! teens and young adult too busy spreading positivity on tiktok, we must fight!
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  > facebook? deadlier from 7 to 77, and nobody gives a shit, but tiktok? all of a sudden, it's the evil ;) I don't think that's true at all. Facebook and tiktok are bad for you in their own ways and I'd be willing to bet that many of the people who rail against TikTok's detrimental effects railed and continue to rail against Facebook.
- chimen 4y ago
  > not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses The issue is being taken care of don't worry, no excuses, straight from the root. > the reason they are finding an escape through them and not thought you is because you are hostile to the way they communicate with their friends I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagues. I just weed out crap that she is not prepared for, the addictive one. I do not find here prepared, at 10 years of age, to deal with crap like likes, followers, reactions, views or other meaningless measurements that put thousands into mental hospitals.
  - Shadonototra 4y ago
    > I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagues. I just weed out crap that she is not prepared for, the addictive one. you contradict yourself, youtube has shorts wich is just like tiktok.. on top of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers/channels/private messages/google profile etc wow, scary btw!.. on top of mature content!! "shh..must fight tiktok!!" so the problem is US apps vs Chinese app? > I do not find here prepared, at 10 years of age, to deal with crap like likes, followers, reactions, views or other meaningless measurements that put thousands into mental hospitals. and the problem is here, your kid is 10yo https://www.tiktok.com/safety/en/guardians-guide/ https://www.tiktok.com/safety/en/guardians-guide/ > To sign up for TikTok, you must first pass through an age gate to get you into the right TikTok experience. In the US, if you’re under 13 years old, you’ll be placed into our TikTok for Younger Users experience which has additional privacy and safety protections designed specifically for this audience. If we learn that a person under the age of 13 is using or posting content on TikTok without using TikTok for Younger Users, they will be removed. > TikTok can be downloaded from the App Store, Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, and other official application platforms. We’ve given the app a 12+ rating specifically so caregivers can access the device-level Apple and Android controls built into your family’s devices. If you don’t want your teen to download our app, you can prevent them from doing so using the parental controls available via these stores. if she addicted, she probably started to consume tiktok prior to her 10'th year, parental issue here you should have set up screen time so she don't spent all her time on her phone the best way to create problems btw, is to cut addictions overnight

chimen 4y ago

I'm happily willing to show you a multitude of heroin/cocaine/meth/[insert other drug here] which were very well educated, schooled and taken care of - stop putting education that high. Addiction is not an escape. There are many forms an "escape" can take and TikTok is not one that I'm willing to accept because it creates addiction, one that is intelligently designed to eat her free time WHOLE so no, I will not take your advice on it. She can "escape" with a bike, with friends outside, with her dogs, with her drawings, dressing, swimming, snowboarding or many other healthy things she was taught to.

navjack27 4y ago

I completely agree with it being an education problem and like... I treat my YouTube watching or online media watching in a way where I would make fun of myself if I allowed myself to be controlled by the thing so I don't allow myself to put myself in situations where I would mock myself if that makes any remote sense. I think it's silly to not be in control of the things that I feed myself digitally or otherwise. It is a state to be mocked. I don't want to call myself "some dumb nerd" so I don't allow myself to be called that by acting dumb. It sounds really maybe abusive but it might be a way to get under the skin of your child if you don't warn them about these things in a soft kind manner but in a way like "you wanna look like a dork with no control? You know while your friends do this stuff but like they don't have control. Don't you want control? Isn't that why you are watching this stuff? Because you have anxiety and you don't have control over things? So , why don't you take control and not watch the things that all of these devices and services serve you and go do something a whole lot better with your time?"

chimen 4y ago
And what's your next move once you explained that and still find them "escaping" for hours in these meaningless apps? Do you have children? How many being teenagers? Can you explain in a "soft kind manner" to an addict that they should just quit? You can fight it pro-actively or re-actively. I prefer the former as, at least, prevents the addiction from even forming. Please identify a smoker in your close circle and explain in a "soft manner" to them how that thing causes cancer, lowers life expectancy, increases heart rate and all the jazz that we are sure of - scary stuff. Report back if they quit. I cannot be in total control and I do NOT want that but, at least, I'm not putting cigarettes on the table myself because that's what this is.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  - make it illegal to gather data/track/serve ads in apps for users -18 - make it illegal to offer microtransactions in apps for users -18 there, you fix half of the problems, no longer companies will make their app addictive to teens then up to the parents to regulate screen time for their kids