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I’ve grown watching „The Animals of Farthing Wood” (1993 cartoon). It has episode showing family of mice struggling to survive and worried about future for the

by Ralfp 4y ago

I’ve grown watching „The Animals of Farthing Wood” (1993 cartoon). It has episode showing family of mice struggling to survive and worried about future for their babies. In following episode we get shot of same mice family impaled on needles by birds going to eat them. https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_EkpfJKfyX8WRKQnr7HhlTAsIH3XsMyfZ.jpg https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_EkpfJKfyX8WRKQnr7H... Entire story is told around forest dying out and animals struggling to survive in it. It was once called „that animals cartoon that traumatised generations”.

brobdingnagians 4y ago
I've been split on this. On the one hand it is a bit unpleasant and can be traumatizing, and we tend to shy away from unpleasant things, but on the other hand lots of generations grew up on Grimm's Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Andersen fairy tales and learned a bit about how difficult life can be and the consequences of moral failings or lack of hard work. It is important to prepare children for the fact that life is not all rainbows and unicorns, but still important to protect them from the depravity of the world so that childhood is pleasant and magical with healthy emotional development. I guess there is a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it, and that's part of the complexity of life/the universe/everything.
- sentrysapper 4y ago
  Life will give those hard lessons out for free - why build a curriculum for it?
  - christophilus 4y ago
    That seems to be a key reason for fairy tales and such things— gentle preparation for life. It’s better to be equipped before battle rather than being tossed into the fray wholly unawares.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Imo, key reason for fairy tales is that both adults and children want to have fun. I watch movies and read books to have fun. Some of what my kids watch is written with proper moral lessons in it, but plenty of it is pure fun or with anti-lessons. The people in the past had no youtube and no tv. They still wanted to have some fun.
  - easytiger 4y ago
    > Life will give those hard lessons out for free Does it?
    - bigDinosaur 4y ago
      Eventually. Other commenters have made note that you can coast for decades without encountering any though, so best be somewhat prepared by reading and listening to others.
    - simonh 4y ago
      In the world as it was when these stories were first told, yes.
      - easytiger 4y ago
        I don't follow. Human history until recently was sustained largely by oral tradition and story telling; superseded by written story telling. What's the problem with telling stories that confer some wisdom or some sense of history or for fun? Many of these stories are embedded idiomatically in many languages? Let each parent decide at what age they should read Rapunzel, when they are ready.
        simonh 4y ago
        I think I misunderstood the comment. You’re quite right, these stories served a valuable function.
        easytiger 4y ago
        Thanks, didn't realise you were not the parent poster.
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      > Life will give those hard lessons out for free Free of cost for the teacher, not for the student
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Because you can go decades without any kind of serious events in your life, living in a perfect bubble until shit hits the fan. That's when you learn nothing prepared you for that and no one cares or knows how to behave. That's kind of the main reason we started to write stuff down, to learn things from the past through other's experiences, so that you don't have to feel alone going through every traumatising events as if you were the first human to do so. We have empathy, better use it than wait for the hardest part of life to "give us a lesson", most of the really hard parts only happen once so you won't learn much, but you'll suffer a lot.
    - fellowniusmonk 4y ago
      The hardest part about being involved in a life altering event/catastrophe is that even having the preperation you're often blindsided by someone's or some groups avarice. My father who was financially devastated by people close to him passed on one insanely strong piece of advice that is superior to any fairy tale and saved me. 1. Always have a legal agreement at the start even/especially if it's friends and family. 2. Always have that legal agreement reviewed by your own attorney. Years later I'm finally getting over the sudden violence and the hostility, but the law made sure their plans to intimidate, force, steal and defraud came to nothing.
      - david38 4y ago
        My father would have done well to follow your father’s advice
      - giantg2 4y ago
        I operate on the assumption that any sort of loan could end up as a "gift". If I'm going to loan friends or family money I ask myself if I'm OK not getting it back.
      - chipsa 4y ago
        Don't lend more than you can claw back in small claims court. And have a written agreement. The small claims court size limits the potential downside, and the written agreement is proof of intent enough to stand up in small claims, so long as it's SMART (just like goals: specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and time bound).
  - pjc50 4y ago
    The problem with the university of life is it gives the test first and the curriculum afterwards.
  - PeterisP 4y ago
    Quite on the contrary, life may make you pay a very horrific cost for learning that lesson on your own instead of from the mistakes of others.
  - meristohm 4y ago
    Over lifetimes this works, sure. Any animal capable of passing on information to offspring likely does so, because it confers a boost in survival chance. For examples: sea turtles lay a bunch of eggs and leave, while a wolf family raises a much smaller number of pups.
- circlefavshape 4y ago
  > learned a bit about how difficult life can be and the consequences of moral failings or lack of hard work I don't remember anything about consequences of moral failings in the old fairy tales, just random violence and chaos. In Sleeping Beauty the prince's mother turns out to be an ogre who tries to eat Beauty's children, but luckily the prince returns in time and kills her. Where's the moral lesson there? Don't move in with your mother-in-law?
  - kstenerud 4y ago
    The same thing most poor kids learn growing up: Just because someone looks and speaks nicely or is nice to you doesn't tell you anything meaningful about them. And it can be a fatal mistake to not be careful. The old stories were designed to help prepare children for the hostile world they lived in.
  - dijit 4y ago
    > Where's the moral lesson there? The moral of the story is that monsters live deep inside even the people we trust most.
  - ineedasername 4y ago
    Well, off the top of my head from Grimm: --Cinderella: mean deceptive people might get their feat chopped off & eyes pecked out. (In short, Karma. though unfortunately the world doesn't quite work that way, but there's still a bit of "the world can be ugly" too) --Cat & The Mouse: Never forget that the nature of a predator is predation --Hansel & Gretel: Don't take candy from strangers. Also, if something looks to good to be true, it probably is. And also that maybe little children are delicious? I mean, the witch had to have her reasons. --Rumpelstiltskin: Okay, there's some mixed messages here. Lying father, malicious greedy king, deceptive girl... Rumpelstiltskin comes out looking like a hero, saving the girl's life 3 times but then get's cheated out of his last payment & kills himself. But he also wanted her baby. She agreed, but still... anyway no one really comes off smelling of roses but Rumpelstiltskin is the only one dead. --The Peasant in Heaven: Truly good rich people are very rare --Snow White: Alright, maybe this one shouldn't on the list. Could be there's a lesson about jealousy in there, and also that maybe you should try the Heimlich maneuver on someone that keels over while eating, but in the end it kind of boils down to some fairly creepy borderline necrophilia.
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  IIRC, many of the most popular fairy tales give happy endings by pure luck and happenstance. Catch a fish with a magic ring, etc…. The ones with moral lessons are too on-the-nose to be enjoyable.
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    The most popular fairy tales also have been modified to be more kid friendly. Nobody saved Little Red Riding Hood. Sleeping Beauty wasn't kissed, she was raped in her sleep and gave birth; it was her child sucking the needle out of her finger that woke her up. These used to be more than just stories for kids, but modern fairy tales are rarely ever told to an adult audience anymore. For many fairy tales, the happy ending was added centuries after they spread.
    - stickfigure 4y ago
      Try looking on youtube for a version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" that ends with the boy being properly eaten. They've all been changed to have narrow-escape happy endings, wholly destroying the point of the narrative.
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        One could argue that Abraham and his son was the original narrow escape happy ending
        fennecfoxen 4y ago
        One could argue that in the original, he didn't escape either. "The text bears no specific mark of being a polemic against child sacrifice." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac#Possible_child_sacrifice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac#Possible_chil...
    - watwut 4y ago
      I think the popular mistake is to assume that every story in folklore collection must be for children and we must be able to derive some moral message out of it. This was time before TV and youtube. Adults told each other stories meant for adults and kids might or might not listen.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  I feel like part of the problem is the medium. I read a lot of books as a kid. And there were many stories that I had no problem reading, but I really struggled watching on screen, even if I already knew what happened. Lord of the Rings being an example that comes to mind.
- watwut 4y ago
  I don't mind scary stories for children, especially when told by people who know those kids and can easily judge the effect. But, the generations growing up on that and them taking deep moral lessons from it point is overstated. They were collected or written and then popular collections of folklore in some part of last century. They are not exactly bible, many of those stories don't even have some kind of moral lesson in them.
  - bashmelek 4y ago
    This is something I wish was brought up more. It is almost a meme that “the originals were darker,” but really the famous tales of the Grimms and Perrault et al are just local snapshots of a living tradition of the common people telling stories. I suppose the focus on the older recorded versions is a reaction against Disney and modified versions of stories marketed to children (e.g. Lang perhaps). And to be clear, I think all these, including Disney, are important culturally and present fine variants of the stories. Still, I don’t want us to forget the others. Digging a little deeper, you find tons of variants of stories, and discover all sorts of new ones, hybrids, seemingly incomplete ones, different levels of embellishment, darker and lighter. And some do have morals, but a lot of them are just things happening. Some motifs just seem to stick. And folk tales were not primarily meant for children either—we tell kids campfire ghost stories all the time, and don’t think so much on what they teach. We just like them.
vanderZwan 4y ago
> It was once called „that animals cartoon that traumatised generations”. Although I can imagine this being quite horrific, I also don't recall that this cartoon was all that upsetting me when I watched it as a child. Then again I grew up in the countryside so maybe it was less shocking to me because I already knew what nature was like. When it comes to animal cartoons I think Watership Down and The Plague Dogs were much worse experiences. Still, kind of makes me wonder what's up with the UK and depressing animal cartoons.
- youngNed 4y ago
  > The Plague Dogs I think a LOT of UK school kids were truamatised by this, a lot of teachers, saw it thought 'oh, same author (Richard Adams) and director (Martin Rosen) as Watership Down, lets stick the kids in front of this while we do something else. Man, that film was harrowing.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  Watership Down is mostly traumatising as a cartoon. I've read the book last year, and it feels a lot more as a deeply mythologic piece than a psychedelic horror. It's essentially a shorter Lord of the Rings, with bunnies. Highly recommended. (Also, the recent Netflix adaption of the material is a lot closer to the source material than the 1980s-era cartoon).
- mariodiana 4y ago
  I'm traumatized merely from reading the Wikipedia entry!
- pram 4y ago
  The Plague Dogs is so unrelentingly bleak, few films have the spine to just be utterly hopeless. It's like a "children's" version of something like Threads or The Lighthouse lol
  - mrob 4y ago
    I recently read an interpretation of the ending that seems plausible and makes it slightly less bleak. Rot13 for spoilers: Va gur crahygvzngr fprar, lbh frr gur ohyyrgf fgevxr gur jngre, naq gura gur uryvpbcgre snqrf bhg. Guvf pbhyq vzcyl gung gurl uvg gurve gnetrgf naq erghearq gb onfr, juvpu zrnaf gur svany fprar vf fbzr xvaq bs nsgreyvsr, naq abg gur qbtf' qlvat qryhfvbaf nf gurl qebja nf V svefg nffhzrq. Gur zlgubybtvpny fprarf va Jngrefuvc Qbja ner n cerprqrag gb guvf xvaq bs guvat, fb vg qbrfa'g fbhaq haernfbanoyr.
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
I loved a cartoon growing up as a child, called Alfred J. Kwak [0], a Dutch / Japanese series about a duck and his adventures; I believe a lot of it is on youtube if you want. The first two episodes are about two anthropomorphised ducks that meet, fall in love, move into a clog and have a spawn of babies, happily ever after until the whole family but Alfred get killed by a car. That was err. a pretty brutal thing for a four year old to see. The show goes on to depict things like nazis, racism (waterfowl aren't real birds like us!), apartheid, classism, alcoholism, even transgenderism / gender fluidity (the stork Ollie), etc. In hindsight, it was A Lot, and most of it probably escaped me. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak
- 0des 4y ago
  According to Redwall: Raven > Crow > Rook > Magpie, in that order.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Never thought I'd say this, but I really need to rewatch Alfred J. Kwak. I remember it as "that weird duck show from my childhood"… It doesn't seem to be available on any streaming platforms, though.
  - bytehowl 4y ago
    There's a bunch of playlists on YT as mentioned in one of the other posts. Here's the first one that came up for me (AI upscaled, apparently): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSaUrah-p_nqNYjF3iM7CUFQKMoruDUV https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSaUrah-p_nqNYjF3iM7...
  - radicalbyte 4y ago
    I've watched pretty much every episode at least 50 times, my wife also watched it as a kid and got our oldest addicted to it. Fantastic cartoon, impressive how they handled facisme. Guess certain Dutch politicians either didn't see it or did and got inspired by Dolf. In related news, I've also seen every episode of True and Nijnje (90s, 00s and specials) a similar number of times for kid #2 and kid #3 :) I grew up in the UK so as a kid I was traumatised by Yellow Submarine, Tottie (dollhouse burns down killing everyone), Watership Down and the aforementioned Animals of Farthing Wood.
david38 4y ago
That bird is a shrike. Pretty rough for a cartoon.
gonzo41 4y ago
That's wild, and really heavy. I'm so glad I didn't see that when I was a kid.

by Ralfp 4y ago

brobdingnagians 4y ago

I've been split on this. On the one hand it is a bit unpleasant and can be traumatizing, and we tend to shy away from unpleasant things, but on the other hand lots of generations grew up on Grimm's Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Andersen fairy tales and learned a bit about how difficult life can be and the consequences of moral failings or lack of hard work. It is important to prepare children for the fact that life is not all rainbows and unicorns, but still important to protect them from the depravity of the world so that childhood is pleasant and magical with healthy emotional development. I guess there is a right way to do it, and a wrong way to do it, and that's part of the complexity of life/the universe/everything.

sentrysapper 4y ago
Life will give those hard lessons out for free - why build a curriculum for it?
- christophilus 4y ago
  That seems to be a key reason for fairy tales and such things— gentle preparation for life. It’s better to be equipped before battle rather than being tossed into the fray wholly unawares.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Imo, key reason for fairy tales is that both adults and children want to have fun. I watch movies and read books to have fun. Some of what my kids watch is written with proper moral lessons in it, but plenty of it is pure fun or with anti-lessons. The people in the past had no youtube and no tv. They still wanted to have some fun.
- easytiger 4y ago
  > Life will give those hard lessons out for free Does it?
  - bigDinosaur 4y ago
    Eventually. Other commenters have made note that you can coast for decades without encountering any though, so best be somewhat prepared by reading and listening to others.
  - simonh 4y ago
    In the world as it was when these stories were first told, yes.
    - easytiger 4y ago
      I don't follow. Human history until recently was sustained largely by oral tradition and story telling; superseded by written story telling. What's the problem with telling stories that confer some wisdom or some sense of history or for fun? Many of these stories are embedded idiomatically in many languages? Let each parent decide at what age they should read Rapunzel, when they are ready.
      - simonh 4y ago
        I think I misunderstood the comment. You’re quite right, these stories served a valuable function.
        easytiger 4y ago
        Thanks, didn't realise you were not the parent poster.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > Life will give those hard lessons out for free Free of cost for the teacher, not for the student
- lm28469 4y ago
  Because you can go decades without any kind of serious events in your life, living in a perfect bubble until shit hits the fan. That's when you learn nothing prepared you for that and no one cares or knows how to behave. That's kind of the main reason we started to write stuff down, to learn things from the past through other's experiences, so that you don't have to feel alone going through every traumatising events as if you were the first human to do so. We have empathy, better use it than wait for the hardest part of life to "give us a lesson", most of the really hard parts only happen once so you won't learn much, but you'll suffer a lot.
  - fellowniusmonk 4y ago
    The hardest part about being involved in a life altering event/catastrophe is that even having the preperation you're often blindsided by someone's or some groups avarice. My father who was financially devastated by people close to him passed on one insanely strong piece of advice that is superior to any fairy tale and saved me. 1. Always have a legal agreement at the start even/especially if it's friends and family. 2. Always have that legal agreement reviewed by your own attorney. Years later I'm finally getting over the sudden violence and the hostility, but the law made sure their plans to intimidate, force, steal and defraud came to nothing.
    - david38 4y ago
      My father would have done well to follow your father’s advice
    - giantg2 4y ago
      I operate on the assumption that any sort of loan could end up as a "gift". If I'm going to loan friends or family money I ask myself if I'm OK not getting it back.
    - chipsa 4y ago
      Don't lend more than you can claw back in small claims court. And have a written agreement. The small claims court size limits the potential downside, and the written agreement is proof of intent enough to stand up in small claims, so long as it's SMART (just like goals: specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and time bound).
- pjc50 4y ago
  The problem with the university of life is it gives the test first and the curriculum afterwards.
- PeterisP 4y ago
  Quite on the contrary, life may make you pay a very horrific cost for learning that lesson on your own instead of from the mistakes of others.
- meristohm 4y ago
  Over lifetimes this works, sure. Any animal capable of passing on information to offspring likely does so, because it confers a boost in survival chance. For examples: sea turtles lay a bunch of eggs and leave, while a wolf family raises a much smaller number of pups.
circlefavshape 4y ago
> learned a bit about how difficult life can be and the consequences of moral failings or lack of hard work I don't remember anything about consequences of moral failings in the old fairy tales, just random violence and chaos. In Sleeping Beauty the prince's mother turns out to be an ogre who tries to eat Beauty's children, but luckily the prince returns in time and kills her. Where's the moral lesson there? Don't move in with your mother-in-law?
- kstenerud 4y ago
  The same thing most poor kids learn growing up: Just because someone looks and speaks nicely or is nice to you doesn't tell you anything meaningful about them. And it can be a fatal mistake to not be careful. The old stories were designed to help prepare children for the hostile world they lived in.
- dijit 4y ago
  > Where's the moral lesson there? The moral of the story is that monsters live deep inside even the people we trust most.
- ineedasername 4y ago
  Well, off the top of my head from Grimm: --Cinderella: mean deceptive people might get their feat chopped off & eyes pecked out. (In short, Karma. though unfortunately the world doesn't quite work that way, but there's still a bit of "the world can be ugly" too) --Cat & The Mouse: Never forget that the nature of a predator is predation --Hansel & Gretel: Don't take candy from strangers. Also, if something looks to good to be true, it probably is. And also that maybe little children are delicious? I mean, the witch had to have her reasons. --Rumpelstiltskin: Okay, there's some mixed messages here. Lying father, malicious greedy king, deceptive girl... Rumpelstiltskin comes out looking like a hero, saving the girl's life 3 times but then get's cheated out of his last payment & kills himself. But he also wanted her baby. She agreed, but still... anyway no one really comes off smelling of roses but Rumpelstiltskin is the only one dead. --The Peasant in Heaven: Truly good rich people are very rare --Snow White: Alright, maybe this one shouldn't on the list. Could be there's a lesson about jealousy in there, and also that maybe you should try the Heimlich maneuver on someone that keels over while eating, but in the end it kind of boils down to some fairly creepy borderline necrophilia.
BeFlatXIII 4y ago
IIRC, many of the most popular fairy tales give happy endings by pure luck and happenstance. Catch a fish with a magic ring, etc…. The ones with moral lessons are too on-the-nose to be enjoyable.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  The most popular fairy tales also have been modified to be more kid friendly. Nobody saved Little Red Riding Hood. Sleeping Beauty wasn't kissed, she was raped in her sleep and gave birth; it was her child sucking the needle out of her finger that woke her up. These used to be more than just stories for kids, but modern fairy tales are rarely ever told to an adult audience anymore. For many fairy tales, the happy ending was added centuries after they spread.
  - stickfigure 4y ago
    Try looking on youtube for a version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" that ends with the boy being properly eaten. They've all been changed to have narrow-escape happy endings, wholly destroying the point of the narrative.
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      One could argue that Abraham and his son was the original narrow escape happy ending
      - fennecfoxen 4y ago
        One could argue that in the original, he didn't escape either. "The text bears no specific mark of being a polemic against child sacrifice." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac#Possible_child_sacrifice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac#Possible_chil...
  - watwut 4y ago
    I think the popular mistake is to assume that every story in folklore collection must be for children and we must be able to derive some moral message out of it. This was time before TV and youtube. Adults told each other stories meant for adults and kids might or might not listen.
nicoburns 4y ago
I feel like part of the problem is the medium. I read a lot of books as a kid. And there were many stories that I had no problem reading, but I really struggled watching on screen, even if I already knew what happened. Lord of the Rings being an example that comes to mind.
watwut 4y ago
I don't mind scary stories for children, especially when told by people who know those kids and can easily judge the effect. But, the generations growing up on that and them taking deep moral lessons from it point is overstated. They were collected or written and then popular collections of folklore in some part of last century. They are not exactly bible, many of those stories don't even have some kind of moral lesson in them.
- bashmelek 4y ago
  This is something I wish was brought up more. It is almost a meme that “the originals were darker,” but really the famous tales of the Grimms and Perrault et al are just local snapshots of a living tradition of the common people telling stories. I suppose the focus on the older recorded versions is a reaction against Disney and modified versions of stories marketed to children (e.g. Lang perhaps). And to be clear, I think all these, including Disney, are important culturally and present fine variants of the stories. Still, I don’t want us to forget the others. Digging a little deeper, you find tons of variants of stories, and discover all sorts of new ones, hybrids, seemingly incomplete ones, different levels of embellishment, darker and lighter. And some do have morals, but a lot of them are just things happening. Some motifs just seem to stick. And folk tales were not primarily meant for children either—we tell kids campfire ghost stories all the time, and don’t think so much on what they teach. We just like them.

vanderZwan 4y ago

> It was once called „that animals cartoon that traumatised generations”. Although I can imagine this being quite horrific, I also don't recall that this cartoon was all that upsetting me when I watched it as a child. Then again I grew up in the countryside so maybe it was less shocking to me because I already knew what nature was like. When it comes to animal cartoons I think Watership Down and The Plague Dogs were much worse experiences. Still, kind of makes me wonder what's up with the UK and depressing animal cartoons.

youngNed 4y ago
> The Plague Dogs I think a LOT of UK school kids were truamatised by this, a lot of teachers, saw it thought 'oh, same author (Richard Adams) and director (Martin Rosen) as Watership Down, lets stick the kids in front of this while we do something else. Man, that film was harrowing.
DocTomoe 4y ago
Watership Down is mostly traumatising as a cartoon. I've read the book last year, and it feels a lot more as a deeply mythologic piece than a psychedelic horror. It's essentially a shorter Lord of the Rings, with bunnies. Highly recommended. (Also, the recent Netflix adaption of the material is a lot closer to the source material than the 1980s-era cartoon).
mariodiana 4y ago
I'm traumatized merely from reading the Wikipedia entry!
pram 4y ago
The Plague Dogs is so unrelentingly bleak, few films have the spine to just be utterly hopeless. It's like a "children's" version of something like Threads or The Lighthouse lol
- mrob 4y ago
  I recently read an interpretation of the ending that seems plausible and makes it slightly less bleak. Rot13 for spoilers: Va gur crahygvzngr fprar, lbh frr gur ohyyrgf fgevxr gur jngre, naq gura gur uryvpbcgre snqrf bhg. Guvf pbhyq vzcyl gung gurl uvg gurve gnetrgf naq erghearq gb onfr, juvpu zrnaf gur svany fprar vf fbzr xvaq bs nsgreyvsr, naq abg gur qbtf' qlvat qryhfvbaf nf gurl qebja nf V svefg nffhzrq. Gur zlgubybtvpny fprarf va Jngrefuvc Qbja ner n cerprqrag gb guvf xvaq bs guvat, fb vg qbrfa'g fbhaq haernfbanoyr.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

I loved a cartoon growing up as a child, called Alfred J. Kwak [0], a Dutch / Japanese series about a duck and his adventures; I believe a lot of it is on youtube if you want. The first two episodes are about two anthropomorphised ducks that meet, fall in love, move into a clog and have a spawn of babies, happily ever after until the whole family but Alfred get killed by a car. That was err. a pretty brutal thing for a four year old to see. The show goes on to depict things like nazis, racism (waterfowl aren't real birds like us!), apartheid, classism, alcoholism, even transgenderism / gender fluidity (the stork Ollie), etc. In hindsight, it was A Lot, and most of it probably escaped me. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak

0des 4y ago
According to Redwall: Raven > Crow > Rook > Magpie, in that order.
jeroenhd 4y ago
Never thought I'd say this, but I really need to rewatch Alfred J. Kwak. I remember it as "that weird duck show from my childhood"… It doesn't seem to be available on any streaming platforms, though.
- bytehowl 4y ago
  There's a bunch of playlists on YT as mentioned in one of the other posts. Here's the first one that came up for me (AI upscaled, apparently): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSaUrah-p_nqNYjF3iM7CUFQKMoruDUV https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSaUrah-p_nqNYjF3iM7...
- radicalbyte 4y ago
  I've watched pretty much every episode at least 50 times, my wife also watched it as a kid and got our oldest addicted to it. Fantastic cartoon, impressive how they handled facisme. Guess certain Dutch politicians either didn't see it or did and got inspired by Dolf. In related news, I've also seen every episode of True and Nijnje (90s, 00s and specials) a similar number of times for kid #2 and kid #3 :) I grew up in the UK so as a kid I was traumatised by Yellow Submarine, Tottie (dollhouse burns down killing everyone), Watership Down and the aforementioned Animals of Farthing Wood.

david38 4y ago

That bird is a shrike. Pretty rough for a cartoon.

gonzo41 4y ago

That's wild, and really heavy. I'm so glad I didn't see that when I was a kid.