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My guess is that people didn't take kindly to their salary calculator showing how much more you could be making if you lived in SF. And for a company that claim

My guess is that people didn't take kindly to their salary calculator showing how much more you could be making if you lived in SF. And for a company that claims "Hiring and working from all over the world", the list of countries from where they don't accept applicants was also not a good look. Edit: Found a related HN thread discussing the change: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24893211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24893211

deepsun 4y ago
> wing how much more you could be making if you lived in SF. Are you sure it's "more" and not "less"? Cost of living in SF is horrendous.
- maccard 4y ago
  Yes. On a salary of 120k in San Francisco, after taxes and 2500/month in rent, you are left with more than the median developer in Europe makes pre tax and pre rent. Many European cities have costs of living that are comparable - try renting in Dublin, London or Amsterdam. No matter what way you swing it, you'll make far more in SF.
  - 0des 4y ago
    Skillwise those two may be equal, but the totality of the unit that makes up an employee is not equal. People bring connections, and become articulating surfaces of the organization. Someone local brings more to the table in that regard while someone overseas might not make it to the next monthly Catalina Wine Mixer.
  - deepsun 4y ago
    But you only counted taxes and rent. There is a lot of other expenses in the "cost of living category": healthcare, childcare, education, transportation, and the largest of all -- mortgage. I still doubt you can afford the same quality of living on $120k in SF than average salary in, say, Milan (€33k).
    - maccard 4y ago
      > and the largest of all -- mortgage. I specifically called out housing as it's the biggest expense, but I labelled it as rent. > $120k in SF than average salary in, say, Milan (€33k). By your own admission, mortgage is the largest expense. Your monthly take home in SF after taxes and housing costs of $2500 is $3964. That's more than the gross, pre tax, pre housing cost of the Milan salary you named. Your take home pay _before_ housing is $1950/month in Milan. You're always going to have more money left over in SF. > I still doubt you can afford the same quality of living. There's a different between salary and quality of living. The quality of life in _any_ european city is a very difficult comparison to the QoL in a US city, and it's not a numeric comparison.
      - deepsun 4y ago
        Makes sense. But my point is that "money left over" is meaningless, unless you spend them. But if you're there to just save money to later move to somewhere cheaper -- sure, by all means.

deepsun 4y ago

> wing how much more you could be making if you lived in SF. Are you sure it's "more" and not "less"? Cost of living in SF is horrendous.

maccard 4y ago
Yes. On a salary of 120k in San Francisco, after taxes and 2500/month in rent, you are left with more than the median developer in Europe makes pre tax and pre rent. Many European cities have costs of living that are comparable - try renting in Dublin, London or Amsterdam. No matter what way you swing it, you'll make far more in SF.
- 0des 4y ago
  Skillwise those two may be equal, but the totality of the unit that makes up an employee is not equal. People bring connections, and become articulating surfaces of the organization. Someone local brings more to the table in that regard while someone overseas might not make it to the next monthly Catalina Wine Mixer.
- deepsun 4y ago
  But you only counted taxes and rent. There is a lot of other expenses in the "cost of living category": healthcare, childcare, education, transportation, and the largest of all -- mortgage. I still doubt you can afford the same quality of living on $120k in SF than average salary in, say, Milan (€33k).
  - maccard 4y ago
    > and the largest of all -- mortgage. I specifically called out housing as it's the biggest expense, but I labelled it as rent. > $120k in SF than average salary in, say, Milan (€33k). By your own admission, mortgage is the largest expense. Your monthly take home in SF after taxes and housing costs of $2500 is $3964. That's more than the gross, pre tax, pre housing cost of the Milan salary you named. Your take home pay _before_ housing is $1950/month in Milan. You're always going to have more money left over in SF. > I still doubt you can afford the same quality of living. There's a different between salary and quality of living. The quality of life in _any_ european city is a very difficult comparison to the QoL in a US city, and it's not a numeric comparison.
    - deepsun 4y ago
      Makes sense. But my point is that "money left over" is meaningless, unless you spend them. But if you're there to just save money to later move to somewhere cheaper -- sure, by all means.