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Another similar option is cstore_fdw [0] -- it's now part of Citus but can still be used standalone as a foreign data wrapper. We use it at my startup to do OLA
by mildbyte 4y ago
Another similar option is cstore_fdw [0] -- it's now part of Citus but can still be used standalone as a foreign data wrapper. We use it at my startup to do OLAP on Postgres. It has some advantages on parquet_fdw:
* Supports writes (actually generating Parquet files was also difficult in my testing: I used odbc2parquet [1] but thanks for the ogr2ogr tip!) so you can write directly to the foreign table by running INSERT INTO ... SELECT FROM ...
* Supports all PG datatypes (including types from extensions, like PostGIS)
* Performance was basically comparable in my limited testing (faster for a single-row SELECT with cstore_fdw in our case since we do partition pruning, same for a full-table scan-and-aggregation).
Re: performance overhead, with FDWs we have to re-munge the data into PostgreSQL's internal row-oriented TupleSlot format again. Postgres also doesn't run aggregations that can take advantage of the columnar format (e.g. CPU vectorization). Citus had some experimental code to get that working [2], but that was before FDWs supported aggregation pushdown. Nowadays it might be possible to basically have an FDW that hooks into the GROUP BY execution and runs a faster version of the aggregation that's optimized for columnar storage. We have a blog post series [3] about how we added agg pushdown support to Multicorn -- similar idea.
There's also DuckDB which obliterates both of these options when it comes to performance. In my (again limited, not very scientific) benchmarking of on a customer's 3M row table [4] (278MB in cstore_fdw, 140MB in Parquet), I see a 10-20x (1/2s -> 0.1/0.2s) speedup on some basic aggregation queries when querying a Parquet file with DuckDB as opposed to using cstore_fdw/parquet_fdw.
I think the dream is being able to use DuckDB from within a FDW as an OLAP query engine for PostgreSQL. duckdb_fdw [5] exists, but it basically took sqlite_fdw and connected it to DuckDB's SQLite interface, which means that a lot of operations get lost in translation and aren't pushed down to DuckDB, so it's not much better than plain parquet_fdw. I had a complex query in the PG dialect generated with dbt that used joins, CTEs and window functions. I don't remember the exact timings, but it was even slower on duckdb_fdw than with cstore_fdw, whereas I could take the same query and run it on DuckDB verbatim, only replacing the foreign table name with the Parquet filename.
This comment is already getting too long, but FDWs can indeed participate in partitions! There's this blog post that I keep meaning to implement where the setup is, a "coordinator" PG instance has a partitioned table, where each partition is a postgres_fdw foreign table that proxies to a "data" PG instance. The "coordinator" node doesn't store any data and only gathers execution results from the "data" nodes. In the article, the "data" nodes store plain old PG tables, but I don't think there's anything preventing them from being parquet_fdw/cstore_fdw tables instead.
[0] https://github.com/citusdata/cstore_fdw https://github.com/citusdata/cstore_fdw
[1] https://github.com/pacman82/odbc2parquet https://github.com/pacman82/odbc2parquet
[2] https://github.com/citusdata/postgres_vectorization_test https://github.com/citusdata/postgres_vectorization_test
[3] https://www.splitgraph.com/blog/postgresql-fdw-aggregation-pushdown-multicorn-part-1 https://www.splitgraph.com/blog/postgresql-fdw-aggregation-p...
[4] https://www.splitgraph.com/trase/supply-chains https://www.splitgraph.com/trase/supply-chains
[5] https://github.com/alitrack/duckdb_fdw https://github.com/alitrack/duckdb_fdw
[6] https://swarm64.com/post/scaling-elastic-postgres-cluster/ https://swarm64.com/post/scaling-elastic-postgres-cluster/
- pramsey 4y agoAgg pushdown is a thing in FDW, I hadn't really thought about the extent to which pulling rows into PgSQL and then summarizing them is a waste of time. I imagine actually implementing agg pushdown in the parquet_fdw might be too much to ask of it (basically writing part of an execution engine in the FDW) but boy it is an interesting thought, since so much data lake querying is aggregation.