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Consider the possibility that this perspective might be less a reflection of reality and more a reflection of the media environment.

thorncorona 5y ago
Does that make it any less true though? It causes people to change how they act. Political activism among youth seems to be quite high. Perhaps for the better.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  >Does that make it any less true though? No, but it is an important distinction if you want to look for solutions, either socially or as a parent.
- dr_dshiv 5y ago
  > Political activism among youth seems to be quite high. Perhaps for the better. Or sometimes for the worse. I can see how engagement in politics or disengagement from politics could both negatively impact mental health. Personally, I found it very difficult to “be on Facebook” and watch friends and family politicize. I can see how political engagement can be a coping mechanism but I can also see how it can be a source of psychological toxicity.
  - trophycase 5y ago
    Modern politics is the epitome of toxic, getting angry about things you have almost no control over whatsoever. Imagine spending so much of your life and mental energy trying to change the unchangeable.
graeme 5y ago
A lot of that list is pure fact: Multiple major recessions —> 2008 was biggest since 1929. Dunno about multiple a global pandemic —> this happened and is still happening rising inflation —> objectively true. Though I suspect the oncoming recession will quash it as in 2008 housing and education getting more expensive by the day —> huge house and education price increases in past decade, far outstripping inflation prospect of a mountain of debt right after graduation —> student loan debt more than doubled in last decade climate that will be unlivable in a few decades —> debateable but CO2 is rising fast and we are already logging effects. Will accelerate within 30 years without geoengineering or carbon zero + sequestering political extremism becoming the norm —> It definitely increased on both sides and massive government gridlock that has made fixing any of this impossible —> Age old complaint, but filibusters did increase Which do you think are just products of the media? I’m more optimistic than OP but I don’t think the list is wrong
- parineum 5y ago
  > political extremism becoming the norm —> It definitely increased on both sides Recent generations have seen multiple political assassinations and bombings. When was the last time you saw a fire hose and dogs used to clear protestors? Tribalism is on the rise, extremism and violence are not.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    For example G20 in Hamburg, a couple of years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtZThq2BLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtZThq2BLw. But I don't think this is the kind of extremism they meant. There is a worrying trend, especially in the US, to try and block whatever the other side is doing, just because it's the other side that's doing it. People retreat into their filter bubbles and have increasingly less contact to real people with differing opinions. The divide between urban and rural opinions is steadily growing.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  > Which do you think are just products of the media? A lot of them. The '08 recession happened when most teenagers were in elementary school. The economy has thoroughly recovered the last several years leading up to COVID. Mountains of debt after graduating, is only an issue if you plan to go to college. A lot more teenagers are realizing the scam and predation that a university education is unless you've got a serious shot trying to be a doctor or a lawyer. Trades will perform better on average than most non professional fields. Climate becoming unlivable (for Americans, important caveat). Estimates for climate refugees are ~200 million over the next century even in pessimistic cases, and few of those would be among Americans. The bulk are concentrated in arid or equatorial countries. Which, to be clear, is a massive injustice since those countries are bearing the biggest brunt of climate change while other countries reaped most of the rewards of fossil fuels. But the idea large swaths if the American population is living somewhere that will become unlivable in the next few decades is misinformation.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    What do you think where those 200 million will flee to? Certainly not other arid or equatorial countries.

thorncorona 5y ago

Does that make it any less true though? It causes people to change how they act. Political activism among youth seems to be quite high. Perhaps for the better.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
>Does that make it any less true though? No, but it is an important distinction if you want to look for solutions, either socially or as a parent.
dr_dshiv 5y ago
> Political activism among youth seems to be quite high. Perhaps for the better. Or sometimes for the worse. I can see how engagement in politics or disengagement from politics could both negatively impact mental health. Personally, I found it very difficult to “be on Facebook” and watch friends and family politicize. I can see how political engagement can be a coping mechanism but I can also see how it can be a source of psychological toxicity.
- trophycase 5y ago
  Modern politics is the epitome of toxic, getting angry about things you have almost no control over whatsoever. Imagine spending so much of your life and mental energy trying to change the unchangeable.

graeme 5y ago

A lot of that list is pure fact: Multiple major recessions —> 2008 was biggest since 1929. Dunno about multiple a global pandemic —> this happened and is still happening rising inflation —> objectively true. Though I suspect the oncoming recession will quash it as in 2008 housing and education getting more expensive by the day —> huge house and education price increases in past decade, far outstripping inflation prospect of a mountain of debt right after graduation —> student loan debt more than doubled in last decade climate that will be unlivable in a few decades —> debateable but CO2 is rising fast and we are already logging effects. Will accelerate within 30 years without geoengineering or carbon zero + sequestering political extremism becoming the norm —> It definitely increased on both sides and massive government gridlock that has made fixing any of this impossible —> Age old complaint, but filibusters did increase Which do you think are just products of the media? I’m more optimistic than OP but I don’t think the list is wrong

parineum 5y ago
> political extremism becoming the norm —> It definitely increased on both sides Recent generations have seen multiple political assassinations and bombings. When was the last time you saw a fire hose and dogs used to clear protestors? Tribalism is on the rise, extremism and violence are not.
- adrianN 5y ago
  For example G20 in Hamburg, a couple of years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtZThq2BLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAtZThq2BLw. But I don't think this is the kind of extremism they meant. There is a worrying trend, especially in the US, to try and block whatever the other side is doing, just because it's the other side that's doing it. People retreat into their filter bubbles and have increasingly less contact to real people with differing opinions. The divide between urban and rural opinions is steadily growing.
Manuel_D 5y ago
> Which do you think are just products of the media? A lot of them. The '08 recession happened when most teenagers were in elementary school. The economy has thoroughly recovered the last several years leading up to COVID. Mountains of debt after graduating, is only an issue if you plan to go to college. A lot more teenagers are realizing the scam and predation that a university education is unless you've got a serious shot trying to be a doctor or a lawyer. Trades will perform better on average than most non professional fields. Climate becoming unlivable (for Americans, important caveat). Estimates for climate refugees are ~200 million over the next century even in pessimistic cases, and few of those would be among Americans. The bulk are concentrated in arid or equatorial countries. Which, to be clear, is a massive injustice since those countries are bearing the biggest brunt of climate change while other countries reaped most of the rewards of fossil fuels. But the idea large swaths if the American population is living somewhere that will become unlivable in the next few decades is misinformation.
- adrianN 5y ago
  What do you think where those 200 million will flee to? Certainly not other arid or equatorial countries.