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Haidt wants to censor the speech he doesn’t like; he is pining for the old order. His main talking point is Diversity and Equity is bad. He even suggests divers
by ginger2016 4y ago
Haidt wants to censor the speech he doesn’t like; he is pining for the old order. His main talking point is Diversity and Equity is bad. He even suggests diversity is bad. Watch this video from mid point. https://youtu.be/RKRuvKtFvqo https://youtu.be/RKRuvKtFvqo
- ginger2016 4y agoMy theory is that he is affected by America’s racial reckoning, and is blaming social media for it. So he has come up with these convoluted explanations to justify his insecurities.
- LAC-Tech 4y agoRacial reckoning? Sounds ominous.
- ginger2016 4y agoNot ominous, in mid 2020 the whole of America realized the country wasn’t treating millions of its citizens fairly and started adopting policies to improve equity and diversity, and that upset Professor Haidt. Here he was among the protestors when a school district tried to enroll more minority students in a program. https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/angry-parents-lash-out-at-doe-official-over-desegregation-plan/ https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/angry-parents-lash-out-at-doe-...
- scythe 4y agoThe quote you complain about obviously can't be about racial diversity. He introduces a problem with diversity, and then links it to problems which, he says, and emphasizes in TFA, have increased very sharply since 2010-14. But racial diversity has been rising steadily for decades with no inflection point near 2014. Furthermore, he goes on to explain how social media leads to a fracturing of cliques and a tendency to maintain parallel lives. It's clear from this context that the "diversity" he's talking about must be a sort of diversity of perspectives and not of heredity or anything else like that.
- legostormtroopr 4y agoCan you clarify exactly how he suggests "diversity is bad" - linking off to a 20 minute video and saying "its in there" isn't exactly great for discussion.
- ginger2016 4y agowatch at 9:20 mark. He starts with “We have this idea diversity is good, and diversity has many good effects, “BUT .. “
- faddypaddy34 4y agoI think you are taking what he is saying out of context and being very dishonest about it. He is not talking about diversity meaning he doesn't want different races or sexualities involved in the country. He is talking about the extreme fracturing of groups that is driven by social media. I see this in my everyday life. Browsing any forum, almost every view expressed by any person is polarized to some side. However, being older and having enough people not connected to social media in my circle, I notice no one expresses the same polarization of thought that is so prevalent in social media and online communities. I also notice that the few people I interact with who do spend a large amount of time on social media are extremely polarized and mostly miserable.
- ginger2016 4y agoDirect quote ! “ We have this idea diversity is good, and diversity has many good effects, but diversity also makes things come apart for a large secular nation like the United States what are the forces holding us together, what are the things blowing us apart, diversity makes group more creative when you have good norms..”
- epgui 4y agoI think rather than interpreting this charitably, as you probably should, you may be giving his text extra meaning beyond what he intended.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoI doubt you're all that familiar with his work if you think his main point is anti-diversity. Read The Righteous Mind. It's a really good book.
- ginger2016 4y agoI am not familiar with his work, I watched his videos on YouTube. In the videos he is frequently talking against diversity and equity, and I was surprised a Professor of his stature advocating against diversity and equity. I found his arguments divisive and thought it was directed at the diversity and equity initiatives aimed at increasing enrollment of people of color in major universities and technology companies like Google. Maybe his books are good, haven’t read it. I will listen to it on audible.
- epgui 4y agoHe is not advocating against diversity and equity. You’re completely misunderstanding what he is saying.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoBeing against affirmative action is a valid point of view.
- throw123123123 4y agoDiversity is a dog whistle to be honest. Either you are on the diverse team or your aren't. It's important to understand the core tribalism around picking up this word and standing by it.
- ginger2016 4y agoI tried listening to more of his arguments after people thought I am misinterpreting his comments on diversity. What about this podcast?, In this he is wishing America was more like Scandinavia. No issue? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/jonathan-haidt-why-i-changed-my-mind-about-value-of-school-tests/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/jonathan-haidt-why-i-change...
- legostormtroopr 4y agoAgain, you've link to a 40 minute podcast and are expecting to change minds. Additionally, lots of people (and lots of people on the left) want to be more like Scandinavia - public health care, social safety nets, strong unions. Is that a problem too?
- ginger2016 4y agoI believe he starts of talking about Scandinavia in the 5 minute mark. I can’t find a transcript online, and I am not good at transcribing. I find him arguing out of prejudice against people of color, at-least that is what I got listening to him. Reasonable people can disagree, this is how I see his stance. I didn’t know who he was until recently, YouTube showed me his videos after I listened to some videos of Jordan Peterson. My reaction after watching a few of his videos was this person doesn’t really like America’s current cultural change. He has repeatedly complained about diversity and inclusion in those videos. I can only conclude he has some issue with diversity, otherwise why talk about it always. If he doesn’t have an issue with diversity why go to school board meeting and to speak against a policy which will increase participation of African American and Hispanic students?.