I think we need a (semi-)realistic benchmark / example program to talk about these things. There are basic stuff that just plain don't work with most "low-JS"

I think we need a (semi-)realistic benchmark / example program to talk about these things. There are basic stuff that just plain don't work with most "low-JS" solutions. Like for example, building a complex form with interdependent validation and state (depending on the value of a dropdown, different parts of the form will appear, at multiple levels). I'm not sure why we keep insisting that we can build rich client applications with what is essentially a configuration language. Now Phoenix live view (with a sprinkle of web components) on the other hand... that's a different story.