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> nerds in particular get shit for respect I have no idea what world you're living in, but it's not mine.
by scubbo 5y ago
> nerds in particular get shit for respect
I have no idea what world you're living in, but it's not mine.
- flappyeagle 5y agoHe's right about this - nerds get a lot of money these days, but no respect.
- koonsolo 5y agoSome of the world most famous people are nerds. The richest people in the world are nerds. Elon is 100% a nerd, and he can basically get any Hollywood star he wants. I'm a nerd, and I consider myself pretty successful in life. I totally agree with the other poster that your view on the world is very different.
- rektide 5y agoFrom an organizational level, we're 98% regarded as human resources for management's usage. From a personal level, few people have the capability to appreciate what we care about. They can measure us with yard sticks & jira points & dollars-of-valued-delivered, but none of these outsiders can adopt our value system & see us as we see ourselves, none can rate us by what matters to us & how we go about & care about our lots. This post is about opening one's view & recognizing other peoples game. Im contending nerds find few who can rate their game, see what they're really playing at, what real success is & what matters to them. Who else out there has hard really hard to understand games, has a value-system alien to others? That is the defining question to me. Often we see mis-allocated respect too. Nerds given undeserved respect, sourced in shallow understanding, undermining our trust in the world's sensibility & discernment. The "cowboy coders" and 10x discourse revolves around these outsider/alien/unsensing values being used to determine respect & rank, causing endless offense & distrust & alienation to nerds, confirming to us we are alone in chasing our good game. The respect you consider is shallow & exterior & the respect we want & that matters to us is often trapped & esoteric. Real success - often yes of the business - often derives from what others cannot see.
- CharlesW 5y ago> From an organizational level, we're 98% regarded as human resources for management's usage. 100% of employees are regarded as human resources for management's usage, so "nerds" aren't unique in that regard. The idea that money goes in and business value comes out applies to business nerds, facilities management nerds, HR nerds, accounting nerds, etc. Everyone is beholden to a business operating system responsible for creating value. This can seem like a bit of a downer when viewed through the "what's it all mean?" lens, but hey, that's capitalism.
- scubbo 4y agoExactly this. As I said in another comment that was alluding to sprint points - "nerds get no respect" is a much less true or insightful statement than "workers get no respect under capitalism, and many nerds are workers". I suspect that the OP I was replying to believes that nerds are entitled to _more_ respect than the average worker, hence their perception.
- arvinsim 5y agoIt's easy for nerds to get respect from other nerds. But I agree with him that nerds get little respect from non-nerds.
- meetups323 5y agoDoes that go both ways? Who do you (presumably nerd) respect? Sales people? PMs? Jocks? Influencers?
- koonsolo 5y agoYou are saying that women don't respect successful men? Because in my world, nerds are successful.
- rektide 5y agoHow deep does the respect go? Is it a knowing respect that understands the real strengths & weaknesses of a person's professional persona intimately? Honestly I think it's probably kind of alienating & unideal that so many partners cant really communicate & share effectively what it is they face. We might get respect, but that doesnt mean the other person actually understands the game, or our moves. There's a whole idea of "workwife," as in, the professional partner that can comprehend & share & commiserate & bond over the "other" 40 hours of our lives. Someome else to co-play the work game with. Because so so rarely are our partners positioned to be able to, no? The post is about a lot more than respect. We can give each other respect for all kinds of things, all manner of reasons & successes. Respect can says more about the person giving respect than it can the person getting respect. This post is about a different kind of empathy, of understanding people as they want to be be seen, find ways to meet people on their courts & finding ways to be good witnesses to their moves/triumphs.
- ZephyrBlu 5y agoWomen respecting successful men who are nerds is generally them respecting the "successful" bit, not the "nerd" bit.
- uwagar 5y agowomen respect such men as long as those men meet their needs. could be any man, nerd or not.
- anarticle 5y agoWe’re talking trad nerds, not Allnerds/techbros.
- emmelaich 5y agoRings true for me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures I know lots of engineers and scientists are devoted to art, opera, literature, history. Next to zero artists or singers who are familiar with say, the laws of thermodynamics.
- eyelidlessness 5y agoExcuse me but what definition of “nerd” are you operating under because I want to travel back in time and not literally have the shit beaten out of me and go enjoy an art and history education for the pure academic joy of it.
- emmelaich 4y agoAre you from the US? The whole jocks/nerds thing is a bit alien to me. In my school, the top athletes were also good students. The dux was the linchpin of the football team and also wrote poetry.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoI’m from the US. But the jocks/nerds thing is alien to me too for what it’s worth. In my experience the conflicting difference was jerks/nerds. I wasn’t close friends with many athletes but many of them were friendly, and yes great students. And one who I did become close friends with wasn’t particularly inclined to poetry AFAIK, but we did form a “band” and record an (embarrassing now) “album” together.
- slavik81 5y ago> Next to zero artists or singers who are familiar with say, the laws of thermodynamics. You don't have to dig very deep to find counterexamples. Dr. Brian May was the lead guitarist and a founding member of Queen. He holds a PhD in astrophysics. Tom Scholz was a founding member of Boston and has a master's degree in mechanical engineering from MIT. Dr. Brian Holland is the lead vocalist for The Offspring and has a PhD in molecular biology. As a more personal example, I spent my high school science classes competing on each test for top marks against Wesley MacInnes, who today is an actor and country music singer. (He was the school bully in the last Power Rangers movie. It was an amusing role. Wesley was an extraordinarily kind person in real high school.)
- booleandilemma 4y agoAnd how many points did you complete this sprint, scubbo?
- scubbo 4y agoa) I don't know, I'm lucky enough to be in a position where I'm trusted to simply execute and deliver on the things that I think are worthwhile. They might happen to align with Agile planning processes, that's nice for the manager who happens to be running it, but that's not my concern. b) Even if this was something that I was being concerned with, "working in an environment where my productivity is monitored and measured" is hardly disrespect. Or, at least, it's no more disrespect than every other worker in this capitalist hellscape suffers - and nerds (more accurately, "job roles that are commonly associated with nerdy people") tend to have a much easier and freer professional life than others. So, if you want to say that nerds are disrespected, it's truer to say "workers are disrespected, and many nerds are workers".