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> We are mostly all commenting from the privilege of skilled labour and all the freedoms and benefits that come with that I’m concerned more about the impact o

> We are mostly all commenting from the privilege of skilled labour and all the freedoms and benefits that come with that I’m concerned more about the impact on small business owners who depend on cheap labor. Surely we don’t want to have EVERYTHING be Walmart/Amazon/McDonalds… A more suitable solution would be to address expenses we all face, like healthcare, that could benefit small business entrepreneurs as well as employees Besides, it IS possible to elevate beyond minimum wage with time, effort, and politics.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
If a business can’t pay to have a dignified workforce the business has place in a civilized society. If a business is so poorly run as to be incapable of paying a livable wage then its mere existence is testament to our decaying standards and the world would be better without it. These barely solvent businesses feeding off desperation should be culled regularly not allowed to fester while directly contributing to incalculable suffering that radiates through the entire community.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I hear this often repeated, but it makes no sense to me. The inverse is that if a person's labor isn't worth minimum wage, you would rather have them unemployed. Assuming you don't think that person should starve, then it becomes if their labor isn't worth minimum wage, you would rather provide for their entire cost of living, than have them work and subsidize the difference between the value of their labor and what is needed to survive.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
    In America companies pay staff between minimum wage and the minimum to attract adequate laborers. This holds true until you get to the exclusive country club golfing class of insufferable wealth where spending money to hire friends is a novelty, like feeding ducks bread at the pond. Any profit that a company takes is an act of economic and social violence against the staff who only submits to such lopsided conditions because the state chooses more permanent forms of violence for transcending the carefully manipulated social hierarchy. So, yes, let the business being subsidized by taxes go under and let’s provide food clothes and shelter for the disaffected. That owner is a leech and should be imprisoned for fraudulently profiting off of arbitrage between labor costs and sale value at the taxpayer expense. Slightly off topic, I strongly encourage you too get your feet wet by serving the generationally impoverished. Check back in with me after 1,000 hours of service and let e know how it went.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      >Slightly off topic, I strongly encourage you too get your feet wet by serving the generationally impoverished. Check back in with me after 1,000 hours of service and let e know how it went. If we are off topic, is this something you have done? Everyone I have met with your views has talked big, but never lifted a finger or checkbook to help others. They want change. But always by redistributing someone else's money, and someone else doing the work.
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
        You’re talking to one of the people that could be a beneficiary if you were to volunteer, so I guess you could say I’ve been doing this my whole life. Certainly I should do more, we all should. Am I reading you correctly that you’ve never volunteered to help poor people? Could I then ask what you imagine the poor life to be?
        s1artibartfast 4y ago
        Purely on the charity side, I've provided a poor family with a free house to live in for about 25 years and running. I still think this is less helpful than the fact that I employ low wage workers. If the tax and regulatory environment continues to get worse, I will have to lay of these workers off and know first hand that their lives will be worse because there will not magically be a better job for them to go to.
r00fus 4y ago
> I’m concerned more about the impact on small business owners who depend on cheap labor. I'd say rent is a bigger problem for businesses than labor costs. QE and low interest rates fueled a large push to hoard real-estate supply. > A more suitable solution would be to address expenses we all face, like healthcare, that could benefit small business entrepreneurs as well as employees We can do both. In fact, both probably work in tandem.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago

If a business can’t pay to have a dignified workforce the business has place in a civilized society. If a business is so poorly run as to be incapable of paying a livable wage then its mere existence is testament to our decaying standards and the world would be better without it. These barely solvent businesses feeding off desperation should be culled regularly not allowed to fester while directly contributing to incalculable suffering that radiates through the entire community.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
I hear this often repeated, but it makes no sense to me. The inverse is that if a person's labor isn't worth minimum wage, you would rather have them unemployed. Assuming you don't think that person should starve, then it becomes if their labor isn't worth minimum wage, you would rather provide for their entire cost of living, than have them work and subsidize the difference between the value of their labor and what is needed to survive.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  In America companies pay staff between minimum wage and the minimum to attract adequate laborers. This holds true until you get to the exclusive country club golfing class of insufferable wealth where spending money to hire friends is a novelty, like feeding ducks bread at the pond. Any profit that a company takes is an act of economic and social violence against the staff who only submits to such lopsided conditions because the state chooses more permanent forms of violence for transcending the carefully manipulated social hierarchy. So, yes, let the business being subsidized by taxes go under and let’s provide food clothes and shelter for the disaffected. That owner is a leech and should be imprisoned for fraudulently profiting off of arbitrage between labor costs and sale value at the taxpayer expense. Slightly off topic, I strongly encourage you too get your feet wet by serving the generationally impoverished. Check back in with me after 1,000 hours of service and let e know how it went.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    >Slightly off topic, I strongly encourage you too get your feet wet by serving the generationally impoverished. Check back in with me after 1,000 hours of service and let e know how it went. If we are off topic, is this something you have done? Everyone I have met with your views has talked big, but never lifted a finger or checkbook to help others. They want change. But always by redistributing someone else's money, and someone else doing the work.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
      You’re talking to one of the people that could be a beneficiary if you were to volunteer, so I guess you could say I’ve been doing this my whole life. Certainly I should do more, we all should. Am I reading you correctly that you’ve never volunteered to help poor people? Could I then ask what you imagine the poor life to be?
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        Purely on the charity side, I've provided a poor family with a free house to live in for about 25 years and running. I still think this is less helpful than the fact that I employ low wage workers. If the tax and regulatory environment continues to get worse, I will have to lay of these workers off and know first hand that their lives will be worse because there will not magically be a better job for them to go to.

r00fus 4y ago

> I’m concerned more about the impact on small business owners who depend on cheap labor. I'd say rent is a bigger problem for businesses than labor costs. QE and low interest rates fueled a large push to hoard real-estate supply. > A more suitable solution would be to address expenses we all face, like healthcare, that could benefit small business entrepreneurs as well as employees We can do both. In fact, both probably work in tandem.